aon hewitt. >> all right. you have before you standard of presentation of how the year's experience in 2014 whether you generated a surplus or deficit and whether or not based on policy the three year amortization stabilization period do we need to add or subtract money to what we applied to the rates? and to step back for a second you have what i think is the most responsible policy of any public sector entity that i have worked for and on the self funded programs if we generate surplus and the premiums were greater than the expenses and take that amount of money and give it back to the people from that plan over which it's generated over three years. there is a gap of one year so when we analyze where we're on the surplus or deficit position with united care, the city flan and look at 2014 to apply to 2016 rates so i turn you to page two because that's the actual versus the expected. >> >> in 2014 we actually reduced the rates because we had excess money -- did i say 13? 2014 -- yes, we reduced the rates. wh

aon hewitt. >> aon hewitt good afternoon. >> good afternoon and you will be a continuous presence in this process. >> do you want me to stand the whole time? >> no. you don't have to stand there. i thank you for at least clarifying in this action item what egg whip is. >> okay. so before you have the presentation titled city plan administrative fees and group and egwp presentation f we go to page one we basically say since we're self funded under this program, the city plan funded we have fees that we doarkt with the payer which surks nighted health care they're the administrative fees which are disclosed on page two presently for 2015 for o.k.tives it's $13.54 and the numbers there are the. >> >> same and they're combined rated together. that's the precedent since i got on board and prior to me and have the medicare and integrated with the egwp and the numbers are listed there and the numbers are low are 3% higher and don't have an increase for years and i reviewed the numbers and i believe they're reasonable as presented and i recommend that you approve these numbers so with the ne