literally, within hours, the apec groups and all the other jewish groups, especially -- aipac groupsl the other jewish groups in mobilized, and we heard the stuff they were calling carter on phone calls, and literally, that is why we lost the pennsylvania primary to kennedy. less than ours. for me, it would never work on a campaign at that level, it was an eye opener to see the kind of power aipac has. host: you are talking about 1976? guest: no, 1983 i do not know if it was a pack at the time, -- gue19 now, 1980. i do not know if it was aipac at the time we little israel, the great jewish northeast, if all went for kennedy. later on, you find out, no wonder every politician on the hill is scared to death of aipac. host: does that correspond to the research you want done? guest: no, not really. i have had this discussion with bibi netanyahu. i was advising him for his first position. we have discussed this, and we laugh about it, because a aipac is not that big an organization as far as that in -- as far as economics. but what they do is mobilize the christian community. you don't ha