the ideal was to do it in apec.t was the initial motivation for apec, trade liberalization in the asia pacific. initially, china was not in, but china came in pretty early after two or three meetings. and you want to have free trade in the asia pacific including all these countries but honestly speaking, i think even with a very great ambition, that's too hard to do straight away because if you wanted to have japan, china, america, and all the other countries in just the first three would keep you busy reconciling the difficulties before the rest of us got a word in. so, it's not going to happen but you do want to move and you can move piecemeal and then it's messy, it's overlapping, but it covers the ground and hopefully our grandchildren or children will have the wisdom and basis on which to take the next step and rationalize, simplify, expand and make a less imperfect cooperation. so, the t.p.p. is one big part of what's happening in asia pacific but there are other pieces, as well. there's this thing called a re