apm, target is opening a little later, 9 p.m they need to do this in order to bring in the revenue. these are companies that are hurting, right? >> yeah. businesses are in business for profit. hear morgan and rick, you would think they're exploiting their employees, but the reality is every time a wal-mart opens, big, big lines of people wanting to work there. so i think it's the opposite of what they say. they're getting paid double time. i think this is just an example of unions who are increingly irrelevant in the private sector looking for attention on a day in which they'll get it. >> victim tore y what do you want to do? do folks who are against what wal-mart is doing, do they want to outlaw work on holidays? >> i'd like to. i think it sounds awful. i think shopping on thanksgiving evening is awful. >> sometimes you have to do awful things in order to pay the rent, right? >> be at home and have some apple pie, you know. [ laughter ] look, the issue here is that we have an awful labor market. so although these workers may be offered bonus times, double pay, there is not a lot o