plus, apple versus amazon. we debate your better bet with the stocks going in opposite direction wrshz. >> sounds good. scott. looking forward to it. apple in focus today. a chip maker cutting its outlook. morgan stanley note. a decline in 2016 iphone unit sales. our next guest agrees. unit sales have already been slowing down. colin is an analyst with vcg financial. it's always really hard to gauge where apple is going to end up. this last cycle with the 6, then the 6s, the larger screen. not unusual for apple stock-wise to struggle in december. my first question is what's apple worth? assuming that things are flattening out, maybe average selling prices go up with the units aren't selling like they used to, and it takes them a year or two to get the subscription models going. how much is apple worth? >> this is the grand debate that goes on right there, right? there are two camps, obviously, and there's two ways to look at it. one is on the price to earnings ratio, and everyone says, wow, back out the cash. a