climbing through the ndows and to get a vote the and the polls in the and country show 2- 1 really don't appre of treating unions this way. so he wi e short-term, but he energized a labor movement that has really been sleeping for the last 30 years, and i think tha real backlash to thhealth benefitshe's done. , ideological. very different from mitch daniels in indiana who did this six years ago, and he is credible presidential candidate, whereas walker looks like a zealot. >> is this a defining moment for walker? it's defining for walker and for the country. obama declared there's an assault upon the unions. he had his organization working it, they maiv demonstrations in the capitol chanting, beating drums, they had the state legislators lead. it's a big battin the country. everybody is watching no lk g mself hurt a little bit in the battle. but john, he won this thing, mayors and governors across america are looking at this beusatthstate level, pay- in ben fits for public employees is the big problem. you don't solve the problem. amgetting into it, did he hype the stature every walk-in. >> en