apprecia appreciate it. >> legal analyst cynthia ox me in and msnbc justice and security analyst, matt miller, former chief spokesperson for the justice department. what should be the penalty for the attorney general of the united states who completely misconstrues what's in a report that is then released and shows he was not being honest? >> right. in two ways. in that letter on march 24th, he lied about what was in the report. also in the press conference. he led people to believe that bob mueller couldn't make his mind up and barr had to do it for him and that's not true at all. i don't know what the penalty is at this point. we will have to wait to see his testimony and if he is willing to be a little more honest. it was shocking to hear the attorney general of the united states say it was all acceptable because he was frustrated. as a person who ask a career prosecutor, that is not a defense to obstruction of justice. he said that. he said trump cooperated fully when we know that trump refused to answer questions. he refused to be interviewed. he tried to fire mueller. he tried to