apu reflected how america viewed us, servile, devious, goofy. >> and joining me now.t's so nice to have you here. the simpsons was one of your favorite tv shows as a kid, and yet you were so frustrated with the character apu, why? >> very one dimensional, stereo typical. at that time, that's the only depiction south asian-americans had. we didn't have anything else. initially we were -- i think i was excited because we had something. when you have nothing, you're excited about anything. but as i got older, i realized, oh, this is all we have. and this is how my parents are depicted, and this is -- it's such a narrow way to be seen. >> was it the accents because a white actor, hank azaria, did the accent? >> the accent is definitely a part of it. it's an accent meant to elicit laughter. it's not that realistic. the fact everything he did always was connected to his indianness or what the white writers thought indianness was. i mean it was everything. and a lot of it also was just the fact there was nothing to contrast it with. we didn't have another character. we didn'

emogis, jingle bells, babies, solar eclipse, the anti-racist book "to kill a mockingbird" is racist and apuons." now palm trees in springs are racist. what racist sentiments have they expressed to you? how can you prove these trees are racist? >> thee trees, tucker, are not racist. a tree is neutral. it's benign and it's not the tree.re it is the individuals and their intent when that particular type of tree wasas planted in that particularon location, back in 1958, '59, '60, '61. >> tucker: right. >> you see, that neighborhood on the 14th and 15th fairway is the original african-american neighborhood of palmsp springs. >> tucker: right. >> now as late as 1950, the national board of realtors had in their code of ethics, and i'm paraphrasing, that no realtor should be instrumental in introducing into a neighborhood any race or nationality that will cause property values to deteriorate. >> tucker: i'm aware of that.e. we had a lot of awful things were in those codes. i know that. >> that's right. y and, yes, they were. and you see that golf course, that black housing development in 1960 is ri