it was brought down by a surface to aramis seal. no expected survivors. and scattered around a fairly large area. in a town close to the russian border. yes, we are aware of it, we are keeping on top of it. offing any assistance we can, and trying to find out if there were any merge citizens onboard. what has the white house been saying? >> they have been holding most of what they know not commenting on anything, not confirming anything. the president making those incredibly brief statements right there. keep in mind, it is probably for a domestic audience. the networks are all going wall to wall on this. her quick to say that force can be used but he is saying if the russians or separate itselfs are involved in this. the president had to come out and make a statement. we will do whatever we can to try and help find out what happened. to the area, it is possible, but also let's remember what we now know about u.s. capabilities. we know the nsa has amazing capabilities to intercept cell phones. they have -- and we with doe know the department of defense ha

they indicate the plane was shut down by a surface to aramis ill from an area launched by russian-backed separatists in eastern ukraine. here in the u.s., makeshift memorials outside the dutch and malaysian embassies in washington, d.c. attracting many people, including one woman from the netherlands. >> it's horrible. and these are people they have nothing to do. it's very unfair. and there's no words to describe the injustice that has been done to the people they leave behind. >> the 298 people on board that flight came from 12 nations, most from the netherlands, malaysia and australia. one woman with dual citizenship was on that flight. malaysia's transport minister is defending the flight's path, saying it was declared state by the national aviation civil organization. joining me now msnbc analyst and former airline pilot john cox. welcome. thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure. good to be here. >> so i'm curious about protocol for international flights. is there some? and why wouldn't this plane avoid flying over this hostile territory? >> well, you have to realize before this tr

aramis ramirez, high and dropping there. two runs score. the nationals got 11 hits of their own, but still it was 4-it. it was those two hits you saw that really did them in. >> if he gets that out, it's a different name. but strasburg is a fastball pitcher and they're a home-run-hitting club. that's going to happen sometimes. if you give up the homer you want it to be a solo homer. the one that got us was the two-run single the >> now to golf. tiger woods. in the good old days if he was playing saturday, he had a shot. but he's 14 shots off at the british open and his aim was a little off most of the day. everybody on the 17th yelling fore. his tee shot a little wide right, headed to the concession stands. so you overcompensate. we've all done this before but not with a lot of people watching. he -- he triple bogeyed the hole the five over for the day. two over for the tournament you a -- but he's 14 shots behind the leader. >> i got off to a terrible start again and i had some opportunities to make a few birdies along the way to fete back

have crashed officials in ukraine, saying that the plane was shot down by a sur is pass to aramis seal. this information, obviously not confirmed right now. but these are the pictures the latest pictures we are getting of the plane. as it was leaving amsterdam. around midday earlier today, it was on rout to kuala lumpur, in malaysia, malaysia airline flight nh 17. the malaysia airline authority say the plane was down while it was in ukrainian air space. and they lost contact with the plane when it was in the ukrainian air space, they are not confirming at this time with the passengers onboard the mane, 295 people 270 passengers and 15 crew members have parished in this crash. but the report that we have been getting from witnesses on the ground near the village is that there are at least 100 bodies on the scene of the crash. and a lot of charred bodies reports say there are pictures that are circulating right now on social media. from that plane crash, pictures we choose not to show you here. who is a military analyst, he says lit be extremely difficult to find out who was responsible

russian officials at the interior ministry saying that the plane was downed by a ground to aramis -- missile. and the same official says that he believes that all of the passengers and crew members on board have been killed. we have no way of confirming this as of yet on al jazeera, but just bringing you what we're hearing from the ukrainian firms. we have on the line with us now a military expert talking to us about the area where this crash is reported to have happened, and pavel as we have been saying this is an area where there has been fighting in recent days . . . >> you're watching the aljazeera news hour. several rockets have been fired from gaza into israeli communities as a five hour humanitarian truce expired. both sides denied reports they were close reaching a ceasefire. >> if you know release have been held for four palestinian children killed wednesday during an air strike near their homes. 235 palestinians and one israel have been killed in a week of fighting. >> ukrainian military officials accuse russia of shooting down one of their fighter jets bay rocket. eastern

then they started to say that they were using sophisticated ground to aramis siel systems. and after that we heard there were missiles coming from the russian side that brought down a jukian jet. and today we heard a russian jet shot down a ukrainian jet. i have been speaking to military analysts here on the russian side who say that it is certainly not unfeasible that this has been going on. and the reason they said that is because for the last week or so, it seems that the kremlin -- that moscow has been becoming increasingly worried that the separatists in eastern ukraine are staring defeat in the face. that they are starting to be bested by though ukrainian army and military. and the reason why is because the ukrainian military has air superiority. so that would explain why we have started to see this spread of information about planes falling out of the sky. the analysts say if russia is that worried about what has been going on in ukraine and this seeming retreat of the pro-russian separatists, then one it could redress that balance is by supplying the separatists wit

it isn't a surface to aramis sill. >> right, it isn't something you put on your shoulder and then fire it to go after a helicopter. this is has seven or eight on the ground, a command vehicle e a radar acquisition, big giant trucks that essentially carry the battery system has to be tilted up. so again, it's not easy to hide. it is very easy for spy satellites that the united states has to keep frac on what is on the ground. i would imagine based oen what the pentagon and the national security has been tying attention to. there are probably some folks that are taking a close look right now at what was with going on on the ground, where the data is, and what did the spy satellites detect. earlier this morning. the pine minister reacting to this p p i am shocked by reports that an image plane crashed he went on to say, we are launching an immediate investigation, with with that said, it is one of many investigations right now live at the white house p president air force one with. head to delaware. >> and the wilmington area, he is there for a previously scheduled event of transportation

he blames for supplying them and training them with heavy arms much like the sa11 that surface to aramis that would brought down this plane resulting in the tragic death of 298 people. however, at the same time, the administration saying it doesn't want to prejudge the outcome of investigations. that's why the president on the other hand clearly encouraging ukraine and russian separatists, he's calling for a ceasefire now, insisting, really that, investigators be allowed to have free access to that site so that they can investigate. and, of course, the administration believes once that investigation by inter nation and partial observers is over, that they will in fact implicate the accept it's and by extension the russians. here is what the president had to say. >> the separatists have received a steady support from russia, this includes arms and training. it includes heavy weapons, and it includes antiaircraft weapo weapons. >> reporter: here is the important part, tony, if this does implicate the separatists in russia, what about europe? after all, it's been the president ever since th

there's fighting here, there is an increase in surface to aramis sills from this area? >> well, the f.a.a. would only be able to notice, the issues only cover u.s. carriers. but obvious hi other officials sometimes follow suit, and sometimes the faa follows suit. the aviation official control the routs in this area. so they have already said they are routing planes away as requested late by the ukrainian government after this plane went down. putting a restriction for eastern ukraine, it is a little proform ma, because obviously flights are avoiding the area, but again, it is up to each country, it is up to each government, and now all of european officials the air traffic control folks in europe are saying we are routing planes away from eastern ukraine. joining us is aviation expert, and retired commercial airline pilot. appreciate your being back with us, what do commercial aircraft pilots know in these situations? do you have a sense of warning in do you have an understanding of what might be targeted a commercial airliner. >> well, we do get advisories. there are -

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officials tell nbc news they have confirmation a ground to aramis shill knocked that 777 out of the sky. >> this is a politically charged story as well. president obama called ukraine's president pothis afternoon. mark matthews has reaction tonight but we begin with steven stock from our investigative unit. steph stephen, there were warnings here for several airlines. >> that's right, raj. we pieced together several flight paths over europe and over this region dating back over the last several weeks. though many airlines do appear to have avoided ukraine all together, several airlines including malaysia air continued to fly over the country regularly, despite the conflict on the ground below. and despite the fact that at least one cargo plane had already been shot out of the same sky in the same region less than a week ago. the pictures show the aftermath of what u.s. officials now believe was a missile strike on the boeing 777 flying at 33,000 feet. data from the internet site flightaware shows malaysia airline 17 ending abruptly just west of the russian border. this despite several w

so much speculation that the plane was brought down by a surface to aramis salt lake, we just heard from the site president, and he had all kinds of disclaimers. where does he get that from? >> and a little more certainty from members of congress, a couple of different places we know the administration had a military briefing which one would presume would include satellite data, that part of eastern ukraine has been under close monitoring that's how the obama administration knew there was more equipment crossing the border and therefore they slapped new sanctions on russia. we warn them don't fly in our sky, and then he says here is the video confirmation, the bird fell beyond the heap but does not damage the sector, they then led to the youtube video that a lot of people have seen, which is of the smoke coming from from this plane crashed. there you have a rebel commander bragging saying we shot down a plane, and then it turns out well, it wasn't a ukrainian plane it was a malaysian jetliner, the ukrainian government, that their security services interintercepted rebel phone calls in th