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let's talk to our correspondentjill archibald. she is by the humber bridge.sight it is. what has the reaction been? historic england describe the structure behind the as a formidable piece of engineering. they also like the way it was designed. despite being made mostly of concrete, they like the way it fits into the landscape. it is sympathetic in this area of the humber very flat. 36 yea rs area of the humber very flat. 36 years ago today it was officially opened by her majesty the queen, and at that time it was the longest single span bridge in the world. 1400 metres. that was a record we held on the humberfor 16 1400 metres. that was a record we held on the humber for 16 years. later taken by japan. a held on the humber for 16 years. later taken byjapan. a view statistics about the bridge, quite fascinating, it has enough cable holding it in place to wrap around the world almost twice. in total the structure weighs half a million tonnes. the tabloids are actually built further apart at the top stand the bottom. that is because of the curvature of the eart

another thing -- i believe that when archibald cox was fired, they abolished the special prosecutorial office. this is what ron was saying. when you fire the fbi director, you do not dissolve the fbi. abolishing mueller's position and force would be serious business. there would be -- there is a serious difference between firing a director and a abolishing a position. mr. rotunda: fbi agents i think surrounded the office and nobody could go in. that is, like, a lot different. ms. stahl: the watergate committee -- tell me if i'm wrong -- did issue a subpoena for the tapes. is that the one you delivered? and of course, you said no, you -- and a court said no, you could not do it. but when the special prosecutor issued a subpoena, the court said ok. so -- edmisten: they were not the same subpoenas. it was not cooked enough yet and when the supreme court ruled unanimously the tapes had to be turned over, we were almost out of business. ms. stahl: no, i'm making the legal case. is now the law that a congressional committee cannot force a president to turn over tapes but a court can? is that

-- special prosecutor archibald cox. and they of course took the choice of resigning and rather than simply disobeying and waiting to be fired, which of course they would have been. neil as i mentioned is representing the state of hawaii in this case, in the supreme court. why don't you talk about your experience in the case, and what's happening and what's going to happen and all that cool stuff. mr. katyal: ok, sure, i just want to situate sally's remarks within the role of the justice department. when you're the solicitor general or sometimes the attorney general you have two , kinds of traditions that are not about zealously advocating for winning cases but just to do justice. those two traditions are being willing to -- every solicitor general, i did this and my democratic and republican predecessors did. they go to the supreme court and say, supreme court, the case that we won, we should have case,so please grant this here it, and rule against the justice department. i don't think there's a better way of underscori

it is little remembered that the watergate special prosecutor archibald cox went to court to try to block the senate watergate committee from granting immunity to john dean. this wasn't his finest hour. the senate went forward with immunity and teams resulting testimony provided congress and the public with critical information about the misconduct of extraordinary scope at the highest reaches of government that might otherwise have taken an unacceptable amount of time to expose. as it happened, dean was later prosecuted, pleaded guilty and gave testimony that was irrefutably corroborated by presidential tape recordings. and the evidence uncovered by the senate watergate committee approved essential building blocks to our work in the special prosecutors office in completing the investigation and bringing indictments and trials. despite significant changes in the procedure since watergate, the lesson remains that sometimes exposing serious public corruption particularly when wrongdoers are still operational will trump the providing prosecutors all the flexibility they desire. in short, the

that imo g's are improving communication in the imo g code and william and mary professors robert archibald and david solomon asked for the future of american education in the road ahead for america's colleges and universities. look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the near future on book tv on c-span2. >>. >> hello. let me get the microphone a little set up.

communication in the imo g code and william and mary professors robert archibald and david solomon asked for the future of american education in the road ahead for america's colleges and universities. look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the near future on book tv on c-span2. >>. >> hello. let me get the microphone a little set up. good afternoon and welcome to the commonwealth club of california, the place where you are in the know. you can find the club on the % % can you just give us insight into what it was like to be a dissident input and led russia and how that kind of crackdown on civil liberties and participation intensified? was it gradualtalk to us about how that happened? >> it's funny , eight months ago i was here in south pacific and i traveled across the country promoting my previous bookk. >> which we'll talk about also. >> everybody wanted to ask me about ibm and the blue. [laughter] so now i have a new book. and i don't think it's inescapable. but somehow it's the two are connected because a lot of russian stories are

it would be the archibald cox sxhoemt the delano roosevelt moment when he tried to pack the supreme court. there are certain elements of fairness that people will not put up with. >> that's a great example. you can put in 40 people if you can confirm them. and this goes to the point about pressure. he's doing it by his play book which is pressure. to get people to knuckle under. to dominate and insult. you have jeff sessions announcing that he will announce leak investigations. >> maybe it is effective. to the extent there is one, it is all rooted in the idea that trump can sow so much chaos and confusion, he can start a melee in the bar at 2:00 a.m. such that people are beer bottles over each other's heads. in trump's world, if a few guys get hurt it's worth it. i hope nick is right that there is intestinal fortitude. if we do see him firing bob mueller or even firing his attorney general so he can fire bob mueller, that there will be a check on that power in the legislative branch. thus far we've seen president trump take engage in a litany of unprecedented actions. and we've not seen r

i think what you'll find remarkable about the staff under archibald cox and under bob mueller, you don't see anybody leaking. it is a very well trained professional group. >> interesting. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> ahead, new dismal polling numbers for the senate health care bill causing some republicans to hide from their constituents. so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. lobster and shrimp are teaming up in so many new dishes.fest, like coastal lobster and shrimp, with shrimp crusted with kettle chips. or new, over-the-top lobster and shrimp overboard. but it can't last, so hurry in. query back fired big time. high with there were a few concerns about the cost of premiums and other fast he is of law, most of the comments appeared fully supportive of the affordable care act. one person summed it up this way. i am finally able to afford health care. it's

at the history of special counsels, independent prosecutors going back to jaworski, before that, archibaldox, and ken starr, they always end up prosecuting, or trying to, if you're trump, aren't you afraid that it will not be about russia. it will be about some issue, they'll go after his taxes, they'll look at everything he's done for 20 or 30 years or what his kids have done and find something. doesn't trump have the political sense to try to forestall that somehow? or is there some way you can limit the power of a special counsel? or should you limit the sxrank scope of the special counsel? >> our effort is to limit the power of the president to fire special counsel, to protect against completely arbitrary and todcapricious firing through perhaps a judicial review. i've been in discussions about exactly what the options are. how best to do it. the point is, your point is well taken, that donald trump is unpredictable. but there are ways to prevent this kind of firing that would directly obstruct justice. it would be not only an admission of guilt. it would be an obstruction of justice t

then if you have a recess appointment and you fired mueller, the way we fired archibald cox, you findhere's a structure growing inside the administration. and that's still go to be there. is the president going to order the acting attorney general to smash the whole thing and bring it back into the justice department and have the fbi do it? i think then you are talking the same kinds of problems we faced in october of 1973. >> you're doing a heck of a job, buchanan. i stumbled on my line the first time around. i had to come back to it. >> did do a wonderful job. >> thank you, patrick. >> take it easy. >>> all right. what are your thoughts? tweet me @smerconish. or go to my facebook page and i will read some responses throughout the course of the program. what do you got, kathryn? do you think that scaramucci is some kind of genius with a distraction strategy? many of my radio listers at sirius xm said exactly that. my god, it's distraction after distraction. if that's the case. i think the president put as his communications director, someone in his direct image. spicer wasn't in his

during the saturday night massacre, the attorney general refused to fire archibald cox who was the special prosecute. he we it was the only number three in line who did fire the special prosecut prosecutor. >> mark, your take? >> yeah. i think that's a very astute point. what you have is the number one, jeff sessions, who has already recused himself. rosenstein who's the number two has said he's not going to do it absence some kind of cause. and then everybody suspects that the number three, rachel brand would carry out the order. why go through all that and have all the inevitable comparisons to nixon? he comes in and he'll use some prearchitect like mueller has expanded his original jurisdiction beyond what he was going to do, and this is a distraction of the country, blah blah blah and they'll come up with some legal pretext and have him do it. >> the one thing i don't get is with if you have adults trying to make a decision, wouldn't you call the toerjs and have a conversation with him about this instead of taking pot shots at him on twitter and public forums? >> you know, paul, i susp

happened once before in history, saturday night massacre in 1973, richard nixon demanded the firing of archibald cox. certainly would be a big deal. >> the white house says he has no intention -- >> he has no intention. if you listen to that interview yesterday with "the new york times," you know, he was, i thought, pretty clear that there were lines that if mueller crossed he wouldn't hesitate to demand his firing. he said something interesting about the finances in that interview. he said i don't make money in russia. he didn't say i don't borrow money in russia. that's really been the question that a lot of people have. not whether he has investments in russia. i think we all know he doesn't really have major investments in russia. has he received loans? that's something where he could generate indebtedness both in a financial and political sense and that's something that i am certain mueller is looking into. >> ken, mueller's instructions from the department of justice in addition to investigating alleged coordination between russian -- they include, quote, any matters that arose or may aris

had the attorney general, the deputy attorney general resign, refuse to carry out the firing of archibald. who could that character be in that scenario? beyond that, you have -- would the senate, in light of not just being upset with this decision but also with their loyalty to a former fellow senator jeff session, how quickly do they go through the process of approving a presidential appointment to replace a jeff sessions? >> anderson, to that point, if you were trying to replace jeff sessions as a political matter, with someone who was as popular with the nationalist conservative base that trump has cultivated, i don't think you could get that person confirmed right now. at the end of the day, you have sessions who is popular with trump's base. if you try to confirm someone knew, the trump base wouldn't like whoever they get through. so sessions staying around may be the best thing for the president. >> sessions isn't just popular with the president's base, he's also popular with the movement conservative base that didn't initially get on board with president trump. but did later. and h

jill archibald beer by the humber bridge. it has been a beautiful day today.r and north—east scotland. look at that, the sunshine over at the beach makes you want to die into the beach makes you want to die into the sea. it looks chilly over the north sea area. —— dive into the sea. wednesday, with that warmth and humanity, thunderstorms here and there. —— humidity. pressure by the end of the week. this evening, dry and the odd mist pat here and there. the temperatures, on the cool. further south, muggy conditions returning. that is a sign of what is to come. high pressure with us tomorrow. it allows us to tap into some very warm and tomorrow. it allows us to tap into some very warm and humid here. during tomorrow, expect humidity to rise and it will be muggy. sunshine, increasing amounts of high cloud across england and wales, the precursor to the scattered thunderstorms. eastern winds across the north sea. the north sea is quite chilly and will keep the temperatures down. on land, temperatures down. on land, temperatures up to 29 celsius. with that heat and

firestorm similar to the outcry and outrage that there was when president nixon fired special counsel archibald cox, or sought one after another for people in the department of justice to do it. and i would certainly lead, and i'm sure others would join in leading an effort to establish a special prosecutor by legislation, probably appointed by a panel of the district court so that the choice of that special prosecutor would be completely nonpolitical. and i think there would be strong support for a special prosecutor. probably bob mueller himself to continue this investigation. bob mueller is following the money. he is looking at the financial dealings. it is not only appropriate, it is proper and necessary to do. and the president of the united states may be able to fire the attorney general. he certainly wants a political lackey in that role. a lap dog, not a watchdog. but he cannot fire the special prosecutor without extraordinary consequences on both sides of the aisle. i've talked to a number of my republican colleagues who have already indicated they would be prepared to act. >> one of t

. >> what we have here, a problem, when archibald cox was fired. the media made him a saint.y the time ken star was doing this they went after ken star. >> in his own national security counsel -- the acting attorney, acting fbi director he accused of corrupt tugs day. based on something to do with his wife. >> for the second time. did that with us in an interview. dan coats, his director of national intelligence said last week. that there is no disagreement among the national security apparatus. this is a trump appointee. no disagreement. that russia intervened in the election tried to meddle in the election. the president refused to accept that. i guess i don't understand why that is the media fault. >> we got to take a quick break. more with the panel. breaking news in russia probe. why senate judiciary committee is dropping its subpoena of of paul manafort coming up. steve was born to move. over the course of 9 days he walks 26.2 miles, that's a marathon. because he chooses to walk whenever he can. and he does it with support from dr. scholl's. only dr. scholl's has massag

there would be nothing since the saturday night massacre of the firing of archibald cox. would be extraordinary when bob mueller has impaneled a number of people who seem to be mike making a serious investigation. >> it seems me believes mueller is compromised? >> or making too much head way. he mentioned the finance sas as potential red line, he didn't want bob mueller going into his finances. at a time when there are serious national question s can ties wih russia, to even talk about potentially firing him just left me kind of aghast. >>ist to give specifics into to this >> yes. almost as if there's nobody at the top levels of justice in the fbi and throw in baltimore for good measure that he's not worried about or opposed to. it was really kind of an across the board blast at pretty much everybody in this part of government and it did not help him at all in trying to pull the health care plan together and is certainly isn't helping him get people thinking that they understand and appreciate his point of view with respect to russia or anything else. it's really very neg

. >> what we have here is a problem where -- when archibald cox was fired, the media made him a saint>> does he even have in his own national security cabinet -- the acting fbi director he accused of corruption today based on something to do with his wife. >> for the second time. he did that with us in an interview last week. dan coats, his director of national intelligence said last week that there is no disagreement among the national security apparatus. this is a trump appointee. there's no disagreement that russia tried to meddle in the election. it's the president who has refused to accept that. i don't understand why that's the media's fault. >> we're going to have more with the panel, breaking news in the russia probe. why the judiciary committee is dropping its subpoena of paul manafort. more coming up. fresh soaps. and of course, tripadvisor's freshest, lowest prices. so if you're anything like me... ...you'll want to check tripadvisor. we now instantly compare prices from over 200 booking sites... ...to find you the lowest price... ...on the hotel you want. go on, try someth

you had the attorney general and deputy attorney general resign refuse to carry out the firing of archibaldox. then you had robert bork who was willing to do it. who would that character been in that scenario. beyond that, you have would the senate in light of not just being upset with this decision but also with their their collegial loyalty to a former fellow senator jeff sessions would they be -- how quickly do they go through the process of approving a presidential appointment to replace a jeff sessions. >> anderson, to that point, if you were trying to replace jeff sessions as a political matter with one who was as popular with the nationalists sort of conservative base that trump has sulticated, i don't think you could get that person confirmed right now. at the end of the day, have you session who's is popular with trump's base and if you try to confirm someone new, i can almost guarantee you the trump base wouldn't like who they could get through. sessions staying around ultimately politically may be the best thing for the president even if he has short-term frustration. >> sessions

everyone was aboard and so we weren't sure archibald cox the special prosecutor was aboard. ..e oval office and this is around 3:30 on saturday he went into the office and calmly explained i have henry kissinger and republicans have been putting them the airborne divisions are moving towards the field and we've got the forces oforce ison heightened alert. i cannot have my attorney general successfully defy anyone you're watching the reaction going on. i have no choice but to do it. i think they did the right thi thing. the circumstances are all lost and went over to throw everybody out of the special prosecutor's office when they were doing such a great job. let me talk about the achievements of richard nixon. this library has it's done magnificently. an editorial editor of the "washington post" said i think we belong to the next generati generation. we've never known a time likely in our lives differ to a time when there is no debate or discussion. and i think that's right. he's a democratic strategist worked in the campaign and said richard nixon was the most consequential po

and so, we weren't sure archibald, the special prosecutor was aboard.derstanding was that richardson had said that if cox refuses to accept the deal, he will not be allowed to subpoena anymore tapes. and if he box i will tell him that is it. and if he refuses and goes after more tapes, i will exercise my duty that he is gone beyond bounds and i will - myself. so we were all set. and so al called me and said here's the deal. i said as elliott aboard and he said yes. so then we find out he is not aboard. so i sent a memo to the president and he said come over to the oval office. around 330 on saturday he went into the office and very calmly explained. he said we are in moscow, they have been putting nuclear weapons and ships. the airborne divisions are moving toward airfields. and we have got american forces on heightened alert. i cannot have my attorney general successfully define me when we have them over there watching my reaction to what is going on. i have no choice but to do it. and to this day i think he had no choice. [applause] i think you did th

nixon's attorney general appointed a special prosecutor, archibald cox to investigate wat watergate. eight of the tapes. >> eight specific tapes of conversations either in the president's office or on his telephone. >> nixon not only refused but on a saturday night in october 1973 he also ordered his attorney general to fire the special prosecutor. the attorney general was appalled. he said no and resigned. then the president told one of his assistants to call the deputy attorney general. >> i picked up the phone and he said he wanted me to fire cox. i said i'm not going to do it. >> ruckleshouse refused in a moment of constitution of drama to obey a presidential order to fire the special watergate prosecutor. >> first attorney general to say i'm not going to do that and then resign and then the next person who is the deputy attorney general, bill ruckleshouse, one of the great people in the nixon administration, one of the most ethical men i have ever known, he, too, was not willing to do it. >> the deputy attorney general ruckleshouse, also resigned. >> there will be an announcemen

that's what happened when nixon fired archibald cox and made the grave mistake of leading the appointmentd that turned into a fateful error onnixon's part. both are awful situations, but they are different. i think it's a little bit hard to game out without knowing exactly what he would try to do. >> thank you for your incite. richard, i'm curious, watching everything that we just talked about since the show started this morning, from the perspective of the foreign policy team, explain to me how they don't -- and i mean general mattis. i'm talking about mcmaster. i'll talking about even rex tillerson. how do they just turn away and keep doing what they're doing? why not approach this president and get some proper process in place here. if you are from the perspective of these leaders? >> well, i think that's exactly what they should do. t not working. you have way too much improvisation. we haven't faced a real crisis, and i don't believe the administration has what it needs should something materialize. what i think is there should be a collective intervention in the office. the presiden