i had into the counterculture in boston in the early 70's and during the vietnam war and he really fell out over the war and he was the archie bunker type. we have a few years where we did not speak very much. draco there is a name that pops out of this book almost out of nowhere that we know in this town margaret tutwiler. >> guest: she was a sorority sister as the brooklyn school for girls. she was a class ahead of me and it turns out that her family, she was from the family in birmingham. that is actually margaret's middle name. her family are major players in the book. c-span: white? >> guest: well they were a very prominent cooperator family. they were the fifth largest producer in commercial in the country i think. they were quite big and during the new deal they had become sort of the staunch anti-roosevelt family in the south. they had bankrolled a lot of antiunion anti-new deal propaganda and margaret's grandfather had become this antiunion icon nationwide. he was the only to resist john l. lewis to keep him out of his camps. c-span: he used to be a spokesman for the bush administration and the state department? do