i think what will bring people into these rooms, these beautiful rooms, is not just the architec architec architec architecture. there are reference books on the table and i think some of the things libraries have done to draw people into a space, for instance for reference, those things are going to go away. i think the greatest references are going to be wikipedia and things online. it is not to say that is perfect but it has the potential to be the best in the world. i think in ways to imagine to cooperate, build and make the online spaces as good as possible but not relying on pulling people in the spaces. i think to take an image from the library company of philadelphia it is also important to recognize the amazing amazing amazing preservation role that libraries play and the essential role libraries play toing our society and that is preserve our cultural and historical record. one experience i had as a library director was being surprised on multiple occasions publishers came to me to ask for access to physical books they had because they wanted to digitize them and i would say why are you