and i want to bring back any attorney r i have a martin. arevahow can restaurant workers prove sexual harassment? >> you know, sometimes, john, these cases are very difficult to prove because you don't have a third-party witness. it becomes am question about whether the conduct was con 70 wul. >> that's often the defense used by the defendant in these civil lawsuits is that, you know, i didn't make an unwarranted advance, that we were engaged in some kind of consent annual conduct. so, it can be very challenging for a woman in these cases to actually, you know, go north lawsuit and establish her case. >> doesn't mean that women shouldn't speak up. i agree whole heartedly with catherine that women in these jobs should feel empowered to complain because things won't change as long as don't talk about these issues. >> and yet, they are paid, as she said, $2 an hour, a little bit more. it's not a reflection of their worth, but if they -- if they bring a sexual harassment claim, how easy is it going to be for them to get another job? >> that's the dle