they want him, hopefully, to be able do what he's done in argenti argentina, focus on the poor in a universal sense. >> to that point, let me play a little bit more of my conversation with cardinal dolan. >> we've heard about his humility, we saw it last night. we've heard about how he lived in an apartment and not in a grand palace, takes public transportation to work. what is something that we might not know about him that you think will be central to a successful papacy? >> you know about his tender love for the poor. this is a constant priority for him. that affected us. you can't sit in the sistine chapel underneath the most renowned setting in the whole world where jesus is saying, all of you good to the poor come o heaven. all of you who turn your back on the poor, go to hell, literally. to elect a man who radiated that sense of loving embrace of the poor, that was important. >> the issue of the income and equality, the inequality is -- he's a religious leader, not a political leader, right. >> he's done that in buenos aires. he's been rather outspoken both encouraging the government i