and there's research by ari krueger lansky and then one person who i who i just love is christian pitch illini, who is a former member of a hate group, is stories. well known. he's founded an organization to help convert and bring back returned people who have drifted into these hate groups. one of the things he says actually is twofold. first, the reason people these hate groups isn't they subscribe to the ideology, but because they have a deserved, defeated sense that belong. he came from a pretty fractured family he didn't have people to connect with. he felt alone. and then this this extremist group that hoped serendipitously, he ended up affiliating with provided that sense of belonging learning and acceptance and importance. being a person that mattered that just made him feel good, made him feel good. and that's as human beings were responsive to that. and a lot of these extremist hate groups, they explore that need to belong. they lure people in who are defeated psychologically not always i'm just sort of speaking generally defeated psychologically and provide that sense of belo