it is arithmetic. >> continuing to take your reaction on twitter. >> next up is kory from glen cove, maryland. >> our you doing? >> fine, thank you. you're on the air. >> the debates are premature game of chess. as a champion, you base your

they haven't produced the numbers or explained how the arithmetic would get them to where they are. the amazing thing is, the press--it should be that joke, francisco franco is still dead. it should be the romney ryan tax plan still makes no sense. they should be hammered every day for doing this. it's an incredibly cynical thing. they're making making an extravagant promise, and yet they're being treated as if it's a serious political campaign. they should be slaughtered by the press. >> cenk: this goes back through the past year to paul ryan was viewed by the washington intelligentsia as fallly a policy wonk who can talk numbers though from day one did he not provide a balanced budget until 2003. it was completely ridiculous economics. >> that's because paul ryan serves his purpose to the main treatment media without making sense. we have this tendency in the press towards the caricaturizing so we have this policy wonk on the right and on the left and they play these roles. if they make sense does not matter. they just have to walk the walk to make it on tv. >> cenk: and then sayi

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it's arithmetic. >> reporter: on medicare and social security, one agreement -- >> neither the president nor i are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees. >> reporter: in ten years, romney wants a private medicare option. >> aarp has said that your plan would weaken medicare substantially. >> reporter: romney fired back in a major debate moment that the president weakened the economy by his focus on health care. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care instead of fighting for jobs for the american people. >> we did work on this alongside working on jobs because this is part of making sure that middle class families are secure in this country. >> reporter: a substantial debate. no zingers. now come the polls to determine if romney got the gains he needs with voters. from denver, i'm steve handelsman, nbc bay area news. >> thank you steve. >>> how did the debate play in the bay area? and did voters here like what

he needs to take the chalkboard and say this is arithmetic and you fail. >> it's an opportunity to pulloss perot moment if he wanted to use a prop. but paul ryan has been seen as this serious person with serious knowledge about the budget when, in fact, if you just be very straightforward and simple about adding it up you can see that he contributes a huge amount to the deficit. which he pore potters that he wants to fix. >> eliot: the ryan policies does not solve the tax problems. it's 0-for-3. >> i like that. >> eliot: send that on to joe biden. he can use that, too. we'll be here thursday night and we'll be here with popcorn and soda. jennifer granholm, thank you so much for your time. looking forward to seeing you for our coverage. >> youyou betcha. >> eliot: a billionaire resort owner tells his employees they may lose their jobs if barack obama gets reelect: that's next in my view. but first, a reminder tomorrow night join me along with cenk uygur, john fugelsang and governor jennifer granholm as we cover the vice presidential debate. al be an exciting match up. here on current tv.

it's a question of arithmetic and that's still the has romne shadow of clinton? >> yes, i think he has. i think he showed himself to be presidential, really presidential, and he had something that we haven't seen in a long time. a mastery of both the substance and the facts of a case that he was making. he did it brilliantly in this debate. >> why don't you go to work for romney since you work for obama? >> i'll see what happens going forward. too early to tell, john. >> really. >> absolutely. i've been a democrat all my life. >> what do you think? >> the first half-hour they talked about romney's tax cut plan which he cobbled together during the primaries, and he denied that it's going to cost $5 trillion over the next few years but it is going to tax the middle class more than the wealthy, according to the tax center, by $2,000 per household. on the clinton question, the clinton question, romney showed, like bill clinton energized the democratic con of earnings romney has energized his base that was about to abandon him, and he's shown that he's a contender. bu

arithmetic. arithmetic is a word understood by people who only went to the sixth grade or people with ph.d.s. it's one thing to be wonky and not to do it in obscure language that's off putting. i do think as well that the question of the vice president is always, judy, he's mr. august when he's chosen. joe lieberman was a popular choice in 2000 but the real test is mr. october, what he does in this debate. paul ryan was a popular choice among many conservatives but this is his moment of truth. and there's going to be a lot of nervousness. >> i think you would agree it's never about them. they have to talk about the number once. >> no, no, i mean their performance. you recall joe lieberman did a "can't we all get along?" as did jack kemp in 1996. >> woodruff: in three hours it gets under way and the two of you will be with us for the whole thing. mark shields and david brooks. online, we have more about danville, kentucky and how the tiny city has prepared to host its second vice presidential deba

right during the democratic side all about the arithmetic and they want they want you to think that the same that works when you're trying to balance your own checkbook doesn't apply when it's their money but it is the same all right well we do have the much anticipated the first presidential debate tomorrow between president obama and mitt romney do you think this is going to be on the top of the agenda or at least somewhere it will be because romney is you know he's used that as a as a line of attack against obama and he picked paul ryan as his running mate because paul ryan. undeservedly in my opinion has this reputation as a budget hawk so it's going to be a talking point again though if none of them are really talking about solving the problem that we have which is we need to cut or spending addiction very interesting tim thanks so much for coming on the show that was tim van a managing editor for reason dot com. well as we near election day we thought it would be a good time to take a look at one of the serious promises president obama made both in his campaign and in recent y

is arithmetic. things that can't keep going on won't. this will come to an end. question is what will come after. what happens to poor people. john: the commissioner of welfare said private charity will be enough to help them. >> the welfare state is about the poor. they do not go to the poor. they're turned among the middle class is. goes out of one pocket and into the other. regina handling fee. john: foreign subsidies, subsidies for business. >> over $100 billion a year in handouts, corporate welfare. john: back to the poor. he says charity won't take care of us in most people believe that. >> i think it's wrong. all tell you why. a cascade of different ways. first is self-help. that is the most important thing. helping people help themselves. second is not charity. mutual late, people taking care of themselves. americans are big joiners of associations. over 30 percent of the adult population, lodges. this was before the welfare state. so one-third of the adults joined these mutual aid societies. john: and they helped each other >> help each other and all kin

we have some simple arithmetic questions. people at home will race you as well.er. >> we're allowed to have a minute? >> you will not have time to use a calculator. these mathletes are way too fast. first question is, 14 plus 13. 27. the kids are up one. next one, 16 plus 18. >> 34. >> that was a tie. >> hit the buzzer first. >> i'm not hitting the buzzer. >> i am. >> tougher, here we go. 46 plus 25. >> 71. >> john pulls it out. he wins the match. great job. >> congratulations, mathletes. >> what's the prize? >> not that they need them, but calculators. >> thank you, jerry. >> wait, nobody uses those calculators. >> that's our whole goal is to get kids not to use calculators, but that's great. i'm sure they'll use them well. >> thank you so much, scott. thanks, kids. >>> got some new shape wear! tone and tuck you in all the good places. >>> today's style is brought to you by -- garnier, take care. >>> we are back now with more of "today" on this booze day tuesday. we are in today's style, sexy. >> top toners, tummy tuckers, and my favorite, the new line of new ki

bothers to address, if you had your druthers what would you like. >> i would like them to use common arithmetic do have a sorryious problem. -- we have a serious problem, we have to discuss with the american people that the retirement programs cannot maintain the same trajectory, we're not cutting social security or medicare but we have to bend the coastline downward, otherwise we will not be able to sustain the programs we have. and our country, with a fragile economy recovery, and a global environment will be in deep difficulty, no one can predict how long the bond market will support american debt. >> well, it will keep doing so as long as ben bernanke keeps it going, i think, we have catted chatted about this before, we live in an environment, where each party is captive to the extreme elements that don't want to budge. if you try to rein in the growth of entitlement you are throwing grandma off the cliff on your side, if you try to address you know closing loopholes and credits and allowances that allow some, to not pay taxes you raise taxes so tea partiers hate you, you can't move the bal

it's arithmetic. >> reporter: on medicare and social security one agreement. >> neither the president nor i are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees. >> reporter: in ten years romney wants a private medicare option. >> aarp has said that your plan would weaken medicare substantially. >> reporter: romney fired back in a major debate moment that the president weakened the economy by his focus on health care. >> i just don't know how the president could come into office facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care instead of fighting for jobs for the american people. >> we did work on this alongside working on jobs because this is part of making sure that middle class families are secure in this country. >> reporter: a substantial debate. no zingers. i'm steve handelsman, nbc news, denver. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows that 67% of regi

he says you have to choose arithmetic over illusion. and he goes in this tax plan. do you respond to that? >> it's a great communicator, no question about it. i don't blame obama for using him as he is doing on the campaign trail. he is flat wrong on substance. he said the studies show. absolutely not. there is one study that is a democrat study -- >> bret: tax policy center. >> tax policy center that uses assumptions that romney does not use to say somehow there is this arithmetic problem. there are half a dozen other studies done to show the opposite. my own office we did our own study in addition to that to look at the issues here. as you know i do work in tax reform. absolutely you can do this. this is exactly what the suchson-bowls commission, debt -- simpson-bowles commission, the debt reduction commission that the president should have supported. they said to lower the tax rate and broaden the base of taxation. it's done in 1986 by ronald agan and tip o'neil in bipartisan way. what the economists right, left or center may have to do. we may have different opi

it's arithmetic. this is not high theory oracle or calculuos. there has not been a concerted effort to force him to answer that question. >> i disagree with you. reporters have been asking him over and over again. and i think romney and ryan are refusing to answer it. one of the things that they're gambling on is that voters do such a cursory look at this stuff and not focus in. >> eliot: i guess what you're saying, in the context of the political campaign where there is not a follow up that is afforded in a courtroom where a judge allows you to ask the question. >> the reporters can only ask the question so many times. are the voters hearing the refusal to answer it as keenly as you are. >> eliot: that's the right point. will the public see this evasive evasiveness, understand, and follow through. >> right. >> eliot: foreign policy, likewise it seems behind the bellicose language that we hear from governor romney and paul ryan there is not a coherent foreign policy as it relates to syria, iran, libya none of these hot spots has governor romney

it's arithmetically possible.s happening in ohio, my view is, that the in-state polls are kind of a lagging indicator. today, in the real clear politics, obama is ahead of two. give or two. well within the margin of error. but in the three most recent polls, is effectively tied. let me tell where you where we're heading, we're going back to the way campaigns used to be run, it's who knocks on the most doors, rings the most doorbells. george, a lot of these states not just one or two, will be decided 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 votes. >> and that's why president obama campaign invested from day one, hasn't left these battleground states from the 2008 campaign. in tens of thousands of door knocks, phone calls and social media outreach. what our advantage will be, is because president obama rescued the american automobile industry. 850,000 jobs in ohio tied to the automobile industry. on trade, mitt romney said, no, we shouldn't -- we shouldn't actually sanction china for dumping tires. president obama said yes, we should a

is it campaign arithmetic? >> i think it's something that would happen if governor romney were elected. if you look at private sector forecasters and as you know, like moodies and mack crow economic advisors and others are already looking forward to higher growth over the next four years because they think that the recession is finally getting behind us. if you look at the jobs numbers implis it in private sector forecast, they're finding jobs like 12 million over the four-year period. the question is just, you know, why would we switch from where we are to the state where we could have an economy that once again would deliver 12 million jobs? the reason they find that is they think we're going to return to normal. i would argue that if president obama is re-elected we won't. we won't fix our big problems. we won't go back to the normal u.s. economy. we won't have the jobs. but under governor romney's plan, there is a story that we could go back to that 12 million jobs. >> the stories are an issue. we can find

it's arithmetic. >> on the subject of entitlements, they clashed on the health care program for seniors which is popular, but costly. they are talking act medicare. >> i think it's important for governor romney to present the plan that will only affect folks in the future. the essence of the plan is that he would turn medicare into a voucher program. it's called premium support, but understood to be a voucher program. >> you don't support that? >> i don't. let me explain why. >> again, that's for future, not current retirees. >> if you are 54 or 55, you might want to listen. >> i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. you point out, we are putting some back, we are going to give them a better prescription program. it's $1 for every $15 you cut. they are smart enough to know it's not a good trade. >> when the subject moved to health care, mr. romney was first to point out the reforms he signed into law in massachusetts was something he shied away from in the past. the president could come into office facing 23 million people out of work

there are now over 3000 of them, everything from basic arithmetic all the way to college level calculus or biology or chemistry. a lot of students are using it as a supplement. if you are having trouble with something, it is like a free to. -- like a free tutor. we have a lot of people working on interactive software. you can get feedback, get practice problems. video is a part of it, but we are going to le'ron interactivity. tavis: i get the sense in reading your work over the years that you are saying technology humanizes classrooms. if i am right about that, tell me why you believe that. >> when people talk about technology or virtual anything, they alwimaginehat wsomeho achying acal -- like amazon.com versus barnes and vulcans orlike the balkan tyhe borg in star trek. we are seeing in classrooms that technology is not used to demonize thelassroom, but to go the other way. we are all sitting there physically with each other but not interacting. we are staring at the chalkboard and one person is lecturing. one student might be bored and one might be lost. the teacher is not getting a

individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdenning the middle class, it is math, -- arithmetic >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. >> reporter: romney said he would repeople obama care but not all the parts people like. >> number one, preexisting conditions are covered under my plan. young people are able to stay on their family plan. >> the president: what your plan does is duplicate what already law. >> reporter: the president's responses did not pin romney to what he said during the prime reese and he was able to reframe his positions. >> you have to have regulation there's some parts of dodd-frank that make sense. >> reporter: where romney was weakest was in specifics. the president aid that point many >> the president: at some point the american people have to ask is the reason governor romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret, because they are too good? >> reporter: tom time and again romney had last word. >> i have to -- >> i have to respond which is my experience as a governor, if i come in and lay down a piece of legislation and say it is my way or

. >> arithmetic. it's money into the schools from those who are fabulously wealthy or money out of the schools. and i can't make it any simpler. >> reporter: epstein thinks the governor is crying wolf. >> they can go back to sacramento tomorrow and say, okay, we're going to fully fund the schools and the poor folks and the seniors and so on, and maybe we won't pave some roads this year, maybe we won't spend billions of dollars on the high- speed rail. >> reporter: the other tax measure on the ballot prop 38 is also losing right now at the polls promising to fund k-12 education. tax measures rarely do better at the and of a campaign. anne makovec, cbs 5. >>> the giants are beaming today thanks to a big win in last night's world series opener. >> i think we're all beaming. they beat the tigers at at&t park thanks to a big power surge from the panda. >> my ball into left. back at the wall -- flyball into left, back at the wall, he homered again. >> final score game 1, 8-3 giants. a record tying three hom

it is arithmetic. >> on health care -- >> first of all, i like the way we did it in massachusetts. >> romney said he would repeal obama care, but not all of the parts people like. >> preexisting conditions are covereunder my plan. numberwo, young people are able to stayn their family plan. >> what your plan does is to duplicate what is already the law. >> the president's responses did not pin romney to what he said during the primaries and the republican nominee was able to reframe his positions. >> we are not going to get rid of all regulation. you have to have regulation. and there are some parts that make all the sense in the world. >> where romney was the weakestas thepecific poin. >>t some pntthe amerin ople have tosk themselves is the reason go governor romney is keeping all of these plans to replace secret because they are too good? >> but time and again, romney had the last word. >> you know what, i have to respond to that. it is my experience as a governor is if i come in and lay down a piece of legislation and say it is my way or the highway, that will get a lot done. >> rom

so come on, explain the arithmetic, we will listen to you. >> good luck with that, jared.een asking for about a year. jared bernstein, thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. >>> next, we get close to the president's desert retreat as he prepares for wednesday night's debate. stay with us. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life.

in reading and arithmetic, the children of bavaria, saxony take the lead. after the middle ground states, the city-state's, in last in every area. >> it is no secret that elementary schools in the three city-states many children from immigrant families as well as socially different backgrounds. >> the immigration system often struggles to meet the needs of such children who may live in urban areas. experts have criticized the rankings, say school performance in cities like hamburg should not be compared to that in big states. researchers say it is more important that germany's schools learn from each others' successes. they hope the school can serve as an example to other schools in trouble. >> more gloom for the global economy. international monetary fund is predicting lower than expected lower than expected worldwide growth this year at around 3.3%, according to germany's newspaper. >> the euro crisis is putting the brakes on many economies. france is expecting zero growth in the next six months. in the eurozone overall, the picture looks even worse. the

. >> it is matt, arithmetic. >> where was the president's fastball? >> i felt he could of been more aggressive. >> joining the candidates and the center stage, the beleaguered middle class. >> middle americans have been buried, they are being crushed. >> that is when joe biden says. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class who has been bearish for the last four years. >> to joe biden. [applause] don't boo, he has the best thing we have got going, guys. >> it was the biggest drop since -- i read that in a column friday morning. on the cover 25 1415 the english king henry the fifth led his army to victory. french king charles the sixth was mentally incapacitated at the time of battle. that is about as far as i wanted that one. charles? >> you were there, as i recall, you covered it for "the daily frog." it was felt he could of been moe aggressive. >> quite a route. i must say, when i wrote the column, i tried to keep on quoting -- keep from gloating. >> you did not. >> the washington punditry says that mitt romney won the debate hands d

it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the president also criticized his opponent for not providing more details about wall street reform and healthcare. >> at some point, i think the american people have to ask themselves, is the reason that governor romney is keeping all these plans to replace secret because they're too good? >> reporter: privately, the obama campaign is conceding that romney's extensive debate preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed nervous for some reason almost as though some questions threw him and mitt romney seem to throw them off as well. >> reporter: but not everyone is giving the win to romney. >> obama was more comfortable with his ideas. romney was working too hard trying to convince people because he was down in the polls. >> reporter: they debate two more times. next someone a town hall style event in new york. tara mergener for cbs news, the white house. >>> bay area teens using social media to stand up to bullies. >> but first, in today's healthwatch, the connection between stero

it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the. also criticized his -- the president also chris sitees the -- criticized hid cal letter without -- his challenger of not providing more. the obama campaign is conceding that the extensive preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed a bit nervous for some reason. almost some questions threw him off and rit romney seemed to throw him off a bit as well. >> reporter: not everyone is giving the win to romney. >> obama had -- he was more comfortable with his ideas. romney was working a bit too hard trying to convince people because he's down in the polls. >> reporter: the president and mitt romney square off again two more times. the next debate is a town hall style event in new york. tara mergener for cbs news, the white house. >> we sampled some reaction to the debate some our facebook page. it said the problem with the debate is they're going past their time limit and mitt romney wasn't clear what he would do

it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the president's basic claim is that mitt romney's tax numbers do not addp. that romney's promise to lower atx rates for all families can't be paid for without cutting popular tax deductions for puddle-class families. last week, the vice president was specific. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle- class people. >> reporter: romney argues that rater rates will stimulate the economy and he is emphatic the middle-class will not pay. >> i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. dd reporter: romney's plan starts by lowering tax rates 20% for everyone. it's a major tax cut that the non-partisan tax policy center says will cost the federal etdget $480 billion a year, roughly $5 trillion over ten rills. but romney and his running mate paul ryan say they will offset fsose costs by reducing tax bductions. they won't say which ones-- eyat's to be worked out with congress-- but they promise they will only target the rich. r deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income tax