and i was politicized by the city, and educated by the great editor of the old arkansas gazette.but my question is, i think we whites are much more sensitive now than we were 50 years ago. and assuming that's right, maybe it's not but maybe it's right. if it is right, what has come to iceboat a certain extent of the laws of the country, i don't think churches have helped much, but maybe they have. would you all have -- it depends upon which the extent that we extent that it goes too far on your personal i got it would apply. but to the extent it does, i think what made it happened was your own personal choice and conviction to step beyond the ordinary. not to follow the crowd, not to get into the peer pressure to be just like those folks that we all look at, think where did they come from. yeah. so very good. >> i would like to turn that around to you. you moved here in 1968. your daughter couldn't even go to school. so i mean, why would you do that? i mean, were you in elementary -- high school? >> i moved to fayetteville and i was darting junior high school right in the spirit