amy: arlie russell hochschild, the fact that j.d.ance has called president trump and america's hitler, talked about in the years past back in 2016, really, his horror about what donald trump represented saying he goes after the people he, j.d. vance loves, like immigrants, talking about muslims. what about this complete turnaround? >> and it is paradoxical that people like in kentucky and elsewhere that are in fact the migrants to economic powerhouse centers are trying to bar other immigrants from coming in because in the domestic world they have experienced the immigrant experience, you know? and so that is paradox. but i think what -- and i don't know what little switch turned in j.d. vance's mind to turn him from anti-trump to pro-trump, you can say it is self-interest, but i do think that there is something that progressives aren't saying -- seeing. there was in a recovery center, there was a man who had -- a coal miner. he got injured. he went to the doctor. he was given oxycontin for pain management. he got addicted to oxyconti

amy: arlie russell hochschild, the fact that j.d.ance has called president trump and america's hitler, talked about in the years past back in 2016, really, his horror about what donald trump represented saying he goes after the people he, j.d. vance loves, like immigrants, talking about muslims. what about this complete turnaround? >> and it is paradoxical that people like in kentucky and elsewhere that are in fact the migrants to economic powerhouse centers are trying to bar other immigrants from coming in because in the domestic world they have experienced the immigrant experience, you know? and so that is paradox. but i think what -- and i don't know what little switch turned in j.d. vance's mind to turn him from anti-trump to pro-trump, you can say it is self-interest, but i do think that there is something that progressives aren't saying -- seeing. there was in a recovery center, there was a man who had -- a coal miner. he got injured. he went to the doctor. he was given oxycontin for pain management. he got addicted to oxyconti