arlo you are suspicious can we say that? >> well, yeah. one of the recordings has a ring at the beginning. and there is a transient, i don't know how it got there, like paul said could be anything that caused that. we don't know. we don't have access to the originals the real problem here. >> larry: thanks, guys. arlo west, and paul ginsburg. i get it. i don't know if we will ever solve it. editor of radar online, david perelle has given cnn a statement, responding to reports that purported gibson recordings were altered. he says, quote, top experts have certified the tapes are genuine and authentic. to say otherwise is simply a defense strategy. mel simply cannot deny he said these hateful words, spewed these vicious rants, had these conversations. the real question is when will he take responsibility for his words? we'll be back with our group after this. thanks to the venture card from capital one, we get double miles on every purchase. so we earned an l.a. getaway twice as fast. we get double miles every time we use our card. no matter