it did not take but two to three years and politicians sold where armco steel was and it turned into a ghost town overnight. many people went from prosperous to nothing. that is where the trouble began. people got lazy. it turns that way because people do sometimes bad things. that is not what he was saying at all. that is just something you observe because you're probably on the other side. whatever. guest: i think that in "hillbilly elegy" senator vance does talk about the decline of armco central to what happened in milltown and other communities to it. but he does also in several occasions talk about how he observed that other families were not teaching their kids to be ambitious, that they were teaching their kids to be lazy. he talks about welfare cheats he sees around him and people making bad decisions in their lives. and he credits his grandmother with giving him a kind of ambition and safety to behave to philly on his own. -- differently on his own. when communities have experienced loss on the level of the 1960's that you described, it can be hard to make good decisions. t

it didn't take but about two or three years and the politicians sold the steel industrial where armco steel was. and it turned into a ghost town overnight. many, o many people went from prosperous to nothing. it left a large community and that's with the trouble began. it wasn't the people got lazy. that's not what he said. it didn't just turned away because i don't people sometimes do bad things. as far as that goes, that's not what he was saying at all. that's just something you are absurd because you are probably on the other side. i have noy idea, but whatever. >> guest: sure. no, and i think that in "hillbilly elegy" senator vance does of course talk about the decline of armco as central to happened in middletown and of the community like it and the broader declined of the steel industry. but he does also in several occasions talk about how he observed that of the families were not kind of teaching their kids toei be ambitious, that the were teaching the kids to be lazy. he talks about welfare cheats that he sees all around him. he talks about people making bad decisions in their

it did not take but two to three years and politicians sold where armco steel was and it turned intost town overnight. many people went from prosperous to nothing. that is where the trouble began. people got lazy. it turns that way because people do sometimes bad things. that is not what he was saying at all. that is just something you observe because you're probably on the other side. whatever. guest: i think that in "hillbilly elegy" senator vance does talk about the decline of armco central to what happened in milltown and other communities to it. but he does also in several occasions talk about how he observed that other families were not teaching their kids to be ambitious, that they were teaching their kids to be lazy. he talks about welfare cheats he sees around him and people making bad decisions in their lives. and he credits his grandmother with giving him a kind of ambition and safety to behave to philly on his own. -- differently on his own. when communities have experienced loss on the level of the 1960's that you described, it can be hard to make good decisions. this is

it did not take but two to three years and politicians sold where armco steel was and it turned into town overnight. many people went from prosperous to nothing. that is where the trouble began. people got lazy. it turns that way because people do sometimes bad things. that is not what he was saying at all. that is just something you observe because you're probably on the other side. whatever. guest: i think that in "hillbilly elegy" senator vance does talk about the decline of armco central to what happened in milltown and other communities to it. but he does also in several occasions talk about how he observed that other families were not teaching their kids to be ambitious, that they were teaching their kids to be lazy. he talks about welfare cheats he sees around him and people making bad decisions in their lives. and he credits his grandmother with giving him a kind of ambition and safety to behave to philly on his own. -- differently on his own. when communities have experienced loss on the level of the 1960's that you described, it can be hard to make good decisions. this is w