i mean, you suggested dick armey wasn`t telling the truth back then. >> guest: well, i mean, dick armey went into that meeting and said that, you know, he understood. delay came back, and i think armey had the understanding that he would become speaker if this thing blew up. and you know, it was the kind of, what if? what do we do? who does what? and delay came back from that meeting and said, all these conservatives don`t want you as speaker. and it really changed his mind and where he was going to be in his position. and you know, i kept saying, let`s come back and let`s talk to newt in the morning. we need to do that. eventually, that`s what we did. c-span: bill paxon, who was involved in that is now what lobbying? >> guest: he`s lobbying, has work in a lobbying firm in washington. c-span: steve largent, who was involved in that, runs a telecommunications association cellular phone, lots of money. >> guest: yes. c-span: and then tom coburn is running for the united states senate. >> guest: right. and dick armey`s out lobbying as well. c-span: you were not happy when dick armey wrote