and they came out this year, and lincoln raising an armia, genst his own people. and they were the other people and thus he was. >> raising an army to save his nation and it was his focus in the beginning. >> it was in the united states. we had a couple of folks waiting on the phones before we hear the results of the vote in richmond. allen is in cincinnati for emory thomas. hi there. >> hello. i wanted to get your view on the possible accusation of robert e. lee being a racist as described by elizabeth pryor in her book reading the man and general lee is often regarded as many people being a southern racist whereas president abraham lincoln obviously had racist views, but is generally guided by history as being forgiven for his race of the views, and i wanted to get your perspective as to whether one or the other was more or less a racist than the other and whether they both reflected the feelings of their times. >> i think they both reflected the feelings of their time which were pretty darn racist. lincoln, however, had the capacity to grow. we believe in emanc