that's the same army field manual that carries appendix. with all of its different abusive forms of interrogation and it also is the same army field manual that changed the definition of the use of fear up from the previous army field manual to allow for the induction of new phobias new fears it changed the language of the previous army field manual which had banned sleep deprivation now there was no such ban and my reading of the appendix of the. field manual was that it did open the door to some of these techniques and really mostly being used by the cia. the question a detainee abuse and the role that doctors play in it is no longer limited to the military or cia operations overseas detainees awaiting trial in the united states may be subject to special administrative measures or sams that resembled the isolation and deprivation found in guantanamo. do this special administrative measures supersede the orders of a doctor responsible for the detainees care and. if extreme isolation is harming a detainee can u.s. prison doctors stop it alth

i couldn't break any teenager daughter with the army field manual. >> sorry about. you go. you know all al qaeda operational leaders distributed these manuals to their minions. he spends two weeks on this boat. we've been talking about what have they been doing? this guy is not stupid. he's not stupid he was on that boat two weeks wasting a lot of time. >> that is the problem, it's like the equivalent of the love boat he's on there. he knows he's going to get a great lawyer this, is going to be years down the fold we'll see this case come to fruition. what is so terrifying about that for a guy like this? >> i have a tremendous amount of respect for the intel community. but we've got a problem. it's a self inflicted wound. >> why north korea is calling a soon to be released movie an act of war. seeing the world in reverse, and i loved every minute of it. but then you grow up and there's no going back. but it's okay, it's just a new kind of adventure. and really, who wants to look backwards when you can look forward? looks like we're about to board. mm-hmm. i'm just co

what this administration has done is said, we will only use the army field manual. >> everybody has a copy of that! >> everybody's got a copy of it. and i've said this before, i couldn't break my teenage daughter with the army field manual. >> i'm sorry about that. >> there you go. but you know that all the al qaeda, you know, operational leaders, immediately dispersed or distributed these manuals to all their their minions. and so he gets on a boat. he spends two weeks on this boat and what have they been doing and what has the group been doing and talking to him? this guy is not stupid. he is not stupid. and he knows what can and can't be done. he knows he is headed to the u.s. he was on the boat two weeks pontiff kating and wasting time. >> he knows he is going to come to u.s. shores and get a great lawyer. it is going to be years before this case comes to fruition. what is so terrifying about that for a guy like this? >> there isn't anything terrifying to that. and the problem that we've got is i have a tremendous amount of respect and belief in the bureau and th

before nine eleven prisoners of war were interrogated according to the army field manual that followed the geneva convention. the new interrogation methods involve torture. we have no alternative but to meet the enemy worried ways we must and we will. use every means at our disposal to ensure the freedom and security of the american people. the experience of american p.o.w.'s in korea led the united states to develop a program to train soldiers how to survive torture if captured. the program was called. it's contract by the cia were among the first to introduce abusive interrogation techniques doctors james mitchell and bruce jessen were experts in serious survival training they adapted this sere torture regimen for us. dr bruce justin was the chief of psychology the air force's survival school the psychologists were there so that if someone actually was having a difficulty some kind of psychological breakdown that then we can stop doing timeout and actually bring in the psychologist so they could talk people through what we were doing just to interrogation training it was for the bene

i guarantee you they're all carrying a copy of the army field manual in their back pocket, so he knowsly what we can do and what we can't do, and he's likely just spending his time pontificating and not providing any information. so it's a very, a fascinating situation. i agree with doug, i think that, you know, their intention is to try him as a criminal. i'm sure he's going to end up in new york here in the very near future likely, and, you know, the poll that you cited is very interesting because on the one hand while people are saying he should be put many gitmo, part of that poll also shows a drop in support for gitmo staying open across the board. martha: yeah, you're right. let's take a look at another gitmo poll here because mike touches on something here. what should happen to gitmo and terror suspects that are in prison there? there's a hundred some that are still there. 52% say you need to keep it open. that number has come down from may of last year. 36% say it should be closed, and that number has gone up. where exactly do they want him to go, doug? >> that's a very good q