. >> i'm made tough decisions as an army ranger in iraq. l make them again as your senator. >> i did join the army and become an infantry officer and army ranger. >> according to salon also told the hot spring "sentinel record," my experience in iraq and afghanistan and experience in business will put me in very good condition. his office doesn't dispute this. help is a graduate of ranger school, which is a grueling two-month course that can last even longer if a candidate repeats or recycles a phase. school, which is very normal. the goal of ranger school is equipped service members to lead in combat situations. by the very end, they are severely sleep deprived and significantly thinner than they were when they entered the school. for two months they operate on a delirium inducing amount of sleep, little food and extreme physical and mental exertion designed to find the best of the best. it's a long story describing the course as a tactical infantry course anyone in the military is eligible to attend. technically it's true. attending and gr

while the senator says the liberal media have always referred to ranger school graduates as army rangersto illustrate that point back in 2015 newsweek itself identified 2 female ranger school graduates as army rangers but recently the outlet edited that 5 year old piece to say the women will be allowed to wear the coveted ranger tab on their uniforms meanwhile conservative commentators are bracing for a new climate of hostility under the by the administration and one fox news anchor had a stern warning for where the country is heading you see those efforts all around you know never in american history has there been press censorship on this scale earlier we spoke with legal and media analyst lionel he thinks the new u.s. administration is eager to shut out on wanted views. think about this you have press press option press availability to the office of the president of the united states states being shut off by somebody who markets in who grovels in these terms propaganda i'm sorry we who a.b.c. your improv again well you're an hour propaganda n.b.c. you're in the conspiracy there is no

>> reporter: congressman jason crow, a former army ranger, trapped inside the house gallery and comforting his colleague. >> to think that as a member of congress in 2021 in the u.s. capitol on the house floor that i was preparing to fight my way out of the people's house against a mob is just beyond troubling. >> reporter: fight your way out >> yeah. >> reporter: did you snap back to that kind of mentality what could i use how would i get out? >> i did i had a pen in my pocket and was thinking about how we were going to fight our way out. >> reporter: elsewhere, thi stunning video of rioters breaking through doors and walking down the hall. all filmed by itv correspondent robert moore. >> they were intoxicated with the sense that they had kind of outwitted th capitol hill police, the sense they had defeated if you like the washington establishment. >> reporter: tonight, new images of protesters

the 2015 article bear with me here the outlet did identify 2 female ranger school graduates as army rangers but the news weeks recently revisited that 5 year old piece changing the wording there so that it fits the let's current narrative that the title ranger is reserved for elite army unit members only conservative commentators are bracing for a new climate of hostility under the biden ministration on fox news anchor indeed a stern warning for where the country's heading in his view you see those efforts all around you know never in american history has there been press censorship on this. early word from the media analysts lionel he believes the new u.s. administrations eager to shut out wanted views. think about this you have press press option press availability to the office of the president of the united states states being shut off by somebody who markets and who grovels in these terms propaganda i'm sorry who a.b.c. your improv again well you're in our propaganda n.b.c. you're in the conspiracy there is no you're into our conspiracy there is it's not the fact that they are lying or

while the senator says the liberal media have always referred to ranger school graduates as army rangers or to illustrate that point back in 2050 newsweek itself identified 2 female ranger school graduates as army rangers but recently the outlets edited that 5 year old piece to say the women will be allowed to wear the coveted range of tap on their uniforms meanwhile conservative commentators are bracing for a new climate of hostility under the bike didn't ministration fox news that report had a stern warning for where the country is heading you shoes are all around you know never in american history has there been precious or ship on this scale. not here for legal or media analyst lionel good to see a line of tucker carlson that talking about press censorship is that what we're seeing. oh absolutely in fact what we're seeing right now is what i refer to as frankly not the thought police but thought vigilantes it's becoming more and more popular for people to on their own by virtue of some self-imposed virtue signaling edit out these conspiracy theories and propaganda and lies which are

because he is not an army ranger. he went to ranger school but he is not a -- how do you feel about him using that title for himself when it isn't true? >> it is deeply unsettling. there's a distinction between going to ranger school and going to the ranger assessment program which is the program before you become a ranger and my understand is that senator cotton did neither of those things and went to the army ranger school which is open to everybody so it's a huge difference and deeply unsettling like a lot of things that senator cotton has done including encouraging the military to deploy against unarmed civilians and something i wouldn't sleep well putting myself out into the world in that way, for sure. >> yeah. it's a thing. i guess rules are different in arkansas. sasha, thank you so much for being here. stay safe out there. that is tonight's "reidout." we have a big, big night. chris hayes is next with the lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin. later, right after chris, rachel maddow will talk with senate

army ranger on the developments here. and more item to pass along. trump legal team has dropped their challenges to the georgia vote. the secretary state says it's over there. they -- that was falsely characterized and the vote was falsely characterized. it's over. the trump legal team has dropped it. more after this. aging is a journey. you can't always know what's ahead. since 1995, seniors have opened their doors to right at home for personalized care. to be their guide. to steer them through uncharted territory. and when it comes right down to it, to keep them safe at home. after all, home is the best place to be. right at home, navigating what's to come. ♪ >> neil: all right. the boeing 737 max is in the air but it will take a ton of i do to pay off the charges. $2.5 billion. more after this. >> all right. with all of that going on and with the senate suddenly going democrat and with the world seemingly piling on concerns about our safety in this country and the president of the united states, some trying to say he should leave right now, you'd

congressman, in addition to being a congressman, former army ranger. he served as an impeachment manager at president trump's first senate trial in january. january 2020, of course, which seems like six years ago. congressman, you know the pressure and the preparation that goes into being an impeachment manager. this is a totally different ball game. president days from leaving office. this was the most bipartisan effort for impeachment ever. how does that change the environment for the managers this time around? >> we need to keep this short. we need to stick to the facts. probably the biggest difference is we have to provide context. i think we have to talk about the events leading up to in the months and years that led to last wednesday. once the 6th didn't come out of nowhere. there was a context surrounding it. it has been building for a while. the most important task the managers are to provide that context. what doesn't need to happen is the senators don't need a recitation what happened on january 6th. this is a unique situation where you have

he's a veteran, an army ranger, former army ranger to achieved the rank of captain while ea earning decorations and commendations including the bronze star for his three tours of duty in combat in iraq and afghanistan. jason crow, is who you wanted in your foxhole on wednesday. >> what was going through my head was, frankly, terror. unlike jason, i don't have combat experience. i'm very grateful to have been in the foxhole with jason. it's the closest i have ever come to something like that. and i will tell you that what's going -- it's -- it was a scene of total confusion and chaos. at least for somebody who had never been in this kiat kind of experience. >> jason crow told his friends who he was protecting in the house gallery to take off their pins identifying themselves as members of the house. those pins convey a unique and awesome privilege. the privilege to walk onto the floor of the house of representatives. the president doesn't have that privilege except by invitation. floor privileges in the house and the senate chamber extend only to members of the house and senate in a very smaand

congressman crow you said you haven't been in a situation like that since you were an army ranger serving in iraq and afghanistan. can you take me back to the moment you realized what was going on? you were in the gallery looking over this and basically you all were trapped there. >> yeah, hi. i realized shortly after speaker pelosi and vice president pence were evacuated from the floor and then they evacuated the members on the floor from the floor and they started to move us towards the doorway. but then they stopped and they started locking the doors and barricading the doors. there was no way out for us. the rioters, the mob had deacceptd descended the house chamber. and the few remaining police officers that were in the chamber with us had their guns drawn and started stacking up against the doors and windows. we were in trouble. and we started to think about what we needed to do. it was the first time in many, many years since i was an army ranger that i thought i might have to fight my way out. >> congresswoman wilde, when the police instructed you to get down as they were drawing

you're a decorated veteran, but there is a couple of stories popping up about you saying you were an army ranger. >> in queue. i graduated from the ranger school, i will read in combat, this is not about my military record, this is about my politics. legends like kreg nixon have used the term to describe the alumni of the ranger regiment and graduates of the ranger school as did the secretary of their army as did most of my buddies in the army. as did most of the liberal media until the conservative veteran was using the term in that way but if some people disagree, that's fine. i respect the service of all rangers and indeed all soldiers who all serve our country. >> bret: think you for your service and i wanted to give you a chance to clear that up. thank you for your time. still ahead, white teachers and one major school district are defying plans to reopen schools. plus. violence on the streets in washington state's will tell what prompted the outburst and what happened so far muscle pain. give up, the couch is calling. i say, it's me, the couch, i'm calling. pain says you can't. advil says

he is a former army ranger. >> you are not -- >> outside the house floor nearby, lawmakers were hunkereding. >> within about 10 or 15 minutes, the room that i was in, i started hearing a lot of stomping and chanting right outside. and i realized that they were literally right outside my door. and so i was really frightened. i moved a lot of furniture that i was physically able to and tried to barricade the door. >> across the capitol, protesters were entering offices. >> people climbing the walls, breaking windows, breaking into doors, in the parliamentarian's office. >> this is a breach of national security, because the senate parliamentarian's office is a critical office that is what ensures the senate can function, where all of the papers are kept. >> a video posted online shows rioters looking for the house speaker. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> no, i'm not. [ bleep ] >> nancy pelosi's office is one of the most heavily guarded offices on capitol hill. you cannot just walk into nancy pelosi's office. but that's exactly what some of these demonstrators did. there is a photo of one rioter sitt

he is a former army ranger. >> you are not -- >> outside the house floor nearby, lawmakers were hunkeredg. >> within about ten or 15 minutes, the room that i was in, i started hearing a lot of stomping and chanting right outside. and i realized that they were literally right outside my door. and so i was really frightened. i moved a lot of furniture that i was physically able to and tried to barricade the door. >> across the capitol, protesters were entering offices. >> people climbing the walls, breaking windows, breaking into doors. in the parliamentarian's office. >> this is a breach of national security, because the senate parliamentarian's office is a critical office that is what ensures the senate can function, where all of the papers are kept. >> a video posted online shows rioters looking for the house speaker. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> no, i'm not. [ bleep ]. >> nancy pelosi's office is one of the most heavily guarded offices on capitol hill. you cannot just walk into nancy pelosi's office. but that's exactly what some of these demonstrators did. there is a photo of one rioter sit

army ranger. as this all unfolded, calls mounted for president trump to call off his supporters, including one from president-elect joe biden, who delivered a public address denouncing the violence. there are also calls this morning for the 25th amendment to be invoked to remove the president from office. the social secretary has since resigned in the wake of this, and multiple sources tell nbc news that more resignations could follow, possibly from national security adviser robert o'brien, deputy national security adviser matthew pottinger, and transportation secretary elaine chao. despite the chaos, congress still completed its work. the debate resumed just after 8:00 p.m. the president-elect's win was certified early this morning with vice president pence making the announcement. >>> and just moments ago, the president released a statement on twitter, though through one of his top aides, dan skaveno. it reads -- "even though i totally disagree with the outcome of the election and the facts bear

i think jason crow who is an army ranger, a democratic caucus, i would really like the see those people and the background in security to make sure that we are doing this right and that we are reestablishing a safe workplace. >> all right. congresswoman susan wild, i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >>> and we are closely following the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts as we know them at this hour. the director general of the world health organization says japan has notified them of a new variant of the virus. the doctor says some of the new variants show increasing trans missibility. the ceo of the company gilead sciences says the company's coronavirus treatment remdesivir will be used in south africa. the company is currently conducting lab tests against the new strains to make sure. meanwhile the pandemic is not deterring doctors. medical school applications are up 18% nationally compared to this time last year in what some admissions officers are dubbing the fauci effect. >>> and minnesota is now the ninth state to confirm the presence of more contagious, of that more con

a former army ranger trapped inside the house gallery when rioters breached the final police barrier outside. >> the security came in, capitol police came in and whisked away the speaker and the leadership, and then started to evacuate. >> you were stuck in the gallery with other members. >> we were stuck in the gallery, about 15 or 20 of us there. within a few minutes, we heard yelling and screaming. grenades going off. the next thing i know, the police actually were shutting and locking the doors, locking us in to the chamber and starting to grab furniture and stack it against the windows and the doors. and that's when i knew that we were in trouble. i called my wife and told her that i loved her and to tell the kids that i loved them. we were putting our gas masks on, and i was helping the other members do that because that's something i had done hundreds of time in the army. i had a pen in my pocket and was thinking about how we were going to fight our way out. >> there's an image that has really gone around the world today of you comforting one of your colleagues. what happened

used to be an army ranger. i enlisted when i was a teenager in the army. i take these oaths very seriously. we took our oath and we even went as far as to sign an oath card and on wednesday it looks like many of my colleagues are going to turn my back on that oath and support the president's wild and fantastical theories about this election. and that is more than a shame, it's a dereliction of duty. >> congressman, what would you like to see done about all this? >> well, first of all, i think we have to recognize that in 2 1/2 weeks we're going to have an vice president-elect biden, i'm sorry, president-elect biden, a man who has dedicated his life to the rule of law, to this country, to fulfilling his oaths in the constitution. he will raise his right hand. he will take his oath and will mean it. so we have to make sure that we are, you know, supporting the president-elect in helping to rebuild the executive branch, but at the same time on capitol hill, we have a long task ahead of us of trying to rebuild sieve ville t civility, rebuild the guardrails of

we're joined now by congressman jason crow, a democrat from colorado, a former army ranger, actuallynagers during last year's trial. also with us is michigan congresswoman elissa slotkin, a member of the house armed services committee and a former cia officer. congressman crow, you were the last one out of the chamber. narrate those harrowing moments, when did you hear it and when it happened, when did you think at first? when did you realize what was happening? >> about 15 or 20 other members, we were watching the debate. i saw on my news feed that the outer security cordon had been breached and protesters were descending -- i should say rioters, let's be clear, the rioters descended on the capitol. they escorted the leadership off the floor, then escorted the members on the floor off the floor. those of us who were in the gallery couldn't get out as quickly. it happened really fast. within a couple of minutes, the rioters encircled the house chamber, capitol police used furniture to barricade doors and windows. there were gunshots. the rioters were trying to ram the doors down, bre

very sad and tough words from a man who is a former army ranger, one of the few in the trump administration seen recent combat. mccarthy says a lot of things need to change. he says in washington, d.c. the structure is not in place for the city to be properly defended in this kind of situation. too many agencies, too many people, no one really in charge. no one able to make fast, quick decisions that were needed so badly on january 6th. alisyn? >> apparently not as we saw on stark display on the 6th. thank you, barbara, for all of that information and those interviews. >>> so, only 3% of the u.s. population has received the first coronavirus vaccine. how will joe biden ramp that number up? wondering what actually goes into your multivitamin? at new chapter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. fermentation? yes. formulated to help you body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done. i'm erin. -and i'm margo. we've always done things our own way. charted our own paths. i wasn't going to just back down from moderate to severe rheumatoid arthr

i've actually done my own interim security assessment, based on my background as an army ranger. i've spent years defending embassies sensitive sites and bases around the world in iraq and afghanistan. and i've walked the capitol grounds. i did last night, as a matter of fact. and did my own assessment and sending those notes on to law enforcement officials who are involved in the preparations and leadership. so i'm hoping to get there. i think we're on the right path and we are going to have a secure inauguration, but it's important that the american people and the world see us on that platform, out there, having the transition of power. and that's what we're going to do. we're not going to be intimidated by a mob, a violent group of fringe trump supporters. our democracy is so much bigger zpr and stronger than that. we'll go forward and be safe and have the transition of power and we'll do what's necessary for this country. >> you were an impeachment manager last time around. jamie raskin, congressman from maryland, constitutional law professor will be the lead manager this tim

he went to army ranger school, but also he was interested in acquiring information, took a class on information, becoming an information officer and at the top of his class on that and did that on a whim. he said he wanted a speechwriter at the top of the class, that was a graduate and the number one candidate, they thought a mistake was made. i want the top guy. working with general westmoreland. he wrote a speech at a madison newspaper and where troops were stationed in saigon. >> the path into journalism, meeting some of the journalists with whom he had to work and provide him with tours. >> guest: one in particular, jesse lewis worked at the washington post why -- writing a series about the u.s. army in vietnam in 1967, they went to where the troops were, the confederate flag was being flown and disappeared in the washington post and the president of the united states did not like that. he was considered a renegade. the u.s. army is the u.s. army, not just the state that succeeded, it is you -- to represent paul country. isn't simply that. it was that was published in the washington post. h

army because he felt he would see what his process would be there and then in the army he went to army ranger school so he learns how to fire and was very athletic but also he was -- again, interested in just acquiring information and learning new things and he took a class of information and becoming an information officer and he was at the top of his class on that and just kind of did that on a whim and what happened with that was general wes morlan in vietnam said he wanted a speechwriter at the top of the class or a great information and dad was a graduate and they felt that -- [laughter] when he was the number one candidate they thought a mistake was made. >> because he was black, course. >> right, correct. but the general said i want the top guy and that's who dad was and that's how we ended up being or working with general westmoreland. he wrote a speech at the national newspaper as well as following orders on where the troops were stationed in saigon and you know, -- >> that is where he developed his idea also into journalism as a result of meeting some of the journalists with whom he

former army ranger who served in both iraq and afghanistan.nd he was seated in the house gallery when rioters broke through the final barricade. congressman jason crow released a summary of a phone call with ryan mccarthy where mccarthy indicated the defense department is aware of further possible threats posed by would-be terrorists and is working with local and federal law enforcement to coordinate security preparations. i want to ask you about that in just a moment. first, if you can tell us what it was like inside there. you have likened it to your service abroad. can you add some description to what you went thrugough, the people around you and did you feel your life was in danger? >> good morning. i haven't experienced anything like that in 15 years. the last time was in iraq and afghanistan. a moment for 30 minutes where two dozen members of congress were trapped in the house chamber. think about that. for half an hour, there were several dozen members of congress that were trapped in the house chamber, surrounded by a violent mob. what

>> well, when i was an army ranger, i was trained to fight. and i joined because i love america and i love our country and i've always wanted to defend her. and i went abroad and served three combat tours in iraq and afghanistan to do that. i never thought that i'd have to be in a situation of having to fight, certainly as a member of congress, at the united states capitol on the house floor in the year 2021. it's surreal, and to be honest with you i'm still processing that experience and coming to terms with it. but we have some very serious questions that we need the answers here in the days ahead about what this means and what we have to do to respond to it. >> and as we were speaking speaker pelosi announced that the process is going to resume tonight. do you know anything about what the plans are and how quickly that is going to begin? >> well, i think it's important that we do resume it tonight. it's my understanding that they are clearing or maybe they've already cleared the capitol at this point. we have to go back as soon as we can an

army ranger.ent trump to call off his supporters including from president-elect joe biden who delivered a public address denouncing the violence. there are also calls for the 25th amendment to be evoked to remove the president from office. the social secretary has since resigned and more resignations could follow possibly from national security adviser robert o'brien, deputy national security adviser, and transportation secretary elaine chao. >> a little late, elaine. you stood by him after charlottesville. >> here's how i-tv news correspondent robert moore covered the story for the uk. >> we followed the aggrieved and infuriated trump supporters as they stormed the building. through broken windows and doors they had forced open. and for a few they felt they had won a precious victory. >> usa! usa! stop the steal! stop the steal! stop the steal! >> reporter: they were in the heart of the congressional building. what's the purpose of storming congress itself? >> because they work for us. >> congres

nontraditional line roles, we have the first female african-american graduate of the united states army rangerool, for example. just recently happened, famous first 42020. -- famous first four 2020. -- famous first for 2020. doors are being opened now, there is a headwind for achievement and opportunity and now there are successes occurring despite that headwind and that challenge. ret. gen. brooks: our next question is from admiral errol around. >> thank you, general, for an inspiring and truly insightful stroll through our history. i have learned so much today. it makes me even more proud for the opportunity i have had. what would you say to -- what would you say our services can learn and should employ from our nation's racial equity journey? and what can the nation learned from the military's racial equity journey? ret. gen. brooks: thanks, admiral brown. and thanks for your service, for trailblazing and leading the way. i think there is much the military can learn from society's journey. it can learn that there is the potential of reversal, if there is not deliberate action to prevent rev

the demographic colorado and former army ranger jason crow commenting on the events. 202-748-8920. if you want to text us, 202-748-8903. jason from albuquerque, new mexico. go ahead. i wanted to say that i was surprised by the speeches by senator mcconnell and senator graham, they caught me by surprise and i'm actually proud that they came out and they supported the public over their party. aboutere talking a lot being a republic versus a ofocracy, that in kind internal debate between the parties. we are a republic, but a democracy is the manner in which we manage that republic. i'm glad they came out. -- i'm glad they came out in favor of that. it took me by surprise being a democrat. i also think it was a little too late, they should have done that little earlier. they hadaited until this type of event that push them towards -- push them towards that decision. decidedly, i think they country over ego, which is what the president -- by --eply saddened there has been a lot of talk about states determining what the electoral college should do and what they should present to congress

army ranger, political commentator in u.s. army veteran, appreciate you both being here.t you are inside amidst the rain and downpour in atlanta, this is raphael warnock's first event since "the washington free beacon" reporting about his arrest for misconduct during an investigation into some issues at a summer camp. this is with "the washington free beacon" rights. "the washington post" among others revealed that roy moore had repeatedly engaged in inappropriate behavior against teenage girls. a maryland church camper he was arrested in 2002 for obstructing a police investigation. the news media so determined to reveal more scandalous to behavior has been lethargic when it comes to him. do they have a point? >> absolutely. here's the thing, one thing that has become clear is that if you have the right political ideas, the media gives you a complete pass. we have not seen any kind of coverage of this which is really a major story on the other networks, we haven't seen anybody even asking these questions. >> leland: sometimes differences in local coverage and wondering do

we will be asking questions of congressman brian mast from florida, retired army ranger.going to be coming up later on in the program. ainsley: listen, they have hated this president since day one. right after the inauguration in 2017, it took 20 minutes for them to start talking about impeachment. it was all over the headlines, they have been talking about it the entire time. they got their wish twice. is he impeached. steve: they won. ainsley: seven days until he is out. even if you don't like him, he lost the election. he is out. isn't that enough? they have to go through all of this and republicans are complaining about the money this is costing us, the time it's wasted if the senate does take it up it's going to be weeks before they can even talk about confirmation. steve: you know what, ainsley, you know, i said a moment ago, they won. the democrats did win. ultimately though, impeachment is about removing somebody from an office. ainsley: um-huh. steve: he is going to be gone before they would be able to have any sort of a senate trial where, you know, they go we w

there was, you know, elected official that usersed to be an army ranger that's a democrat and he kindfought for their rights that they are disrespecting capitol police by carrying a weapon to protect themselves? i support what she is doing. more than anything, it's good to see people elected into congress that are willing to actually take a step forward and act out the things they say. not just rejudge at a time talking points. i appreciate her for that i'm glad she is carrying a glock. that gun was made right here in georgia. ainsley: really? that's great. >> absolutely. ainsley: 21 democrats want to change the rule now you can carry inside congress. three days later 8 republicans and she was included. i think she might have originally written a letter. 82 republicans have signed it saying no, we do not want you to change that you will radio. so we will continue to follow that story. joey, thank you for your service. >> thank you. ainsley: you are welcome. coming up, congress is set to meet tomorrow to certify joe biden's win, but republicans ramping up a new bid to fight it, includi

ainsley: retired army ranger and florida g.o.p.ongressman brian mast was there and he joins us to tell us what happened. i know you had said this was as unpatriotic and appalling as it gets. what happened to you? tell us -- i know you were at the house floor. you went into your office and you couldn't leave; is that right? >> i had spoke on the house floor, and this must have happened right on the tails of me walking off the floor. i spoke. i walked off the floor. nothing was going on and by the time i walked 5 minutes to my office, this was playing out on the television. bearing out on the television. so it must have happened really directly on my heels. but i really feel like i need to say this. the day is going to be filled with speculation about that attack yesterday. and it is a huge regret wholly unpatriotic, unamerican. but i feel like thing that i wish would be remembered about january 6th, 021, wa 022021. democracy, the pride of our country was literally attacked and hours later we resumed the democratic process that we ta

army general lloyd austin, making him the first black secretary of defense in our nation's history. >>> now back to "dateline". ♪♪ >>> law enforcement 101: on any murder, talk with the ex. but this time rangerre also messengers, arriving at bob mose's house with some bad news. >> i mean they come at midnight, you know something's happened. and i said, well, what happened? is my son okay? >> your son's fine, but -- >> some -- somebody else? >> well, that's what we want to talk about. >> investigators, who were recording their conversation, preferred to tell bob about anna when they all went to the police station, but her persistence forced their hand. >> tell me what happened here. okay, well, something happened to anna. what happened to her? >> anna's dead. >> what? what are you talking about? >> anna's dead. >> when? how -- how is that possible? >> the cops, who at that point hadn't revealed how she died, noticed that bob, unlike igor, had a strong response. >> his reaction seemed appropriate. >> he was upset? he was emotional? >> yes. >> my first thoughts were for igor. i mean he's like, you know, 20 years old at this time. he just lost his mother, and they told me that he knew and he, yo