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arnie, good to see you again. thank you for being with us. >> good morning.know, there are a lot of people who think you can't. you can you can play with some of these agencies that people don't know. and technically it's all the same. you shouldn't the president shouldn't be able to dissolve any of these agencies without or departments without congress. but there are people who say, you can't really be dismantling the department of education. it's so interwoven with with our system of education around the country. so notwithstanding the fact that president trump is wrong about his giving education back to the states to improve the quality of education, can he actually cripple the department of education effectively? >> you said it perfectly. >> earlier to actually. >> eliminate to abolish the department. >> you would need 60 votes in the senate. that's never going to happen. so that's not the threat. the threat is to dismantle. the threat is to use your word. the threat is to weaken. and the irony here is that what is the department actually do? it helps kid