for their students and for their situation. >> joining me now is secretary devos's predecessor arnie duncan he was the education secretary in the obama administration. second duncan, first let me just note that we've invited secretary devos to join in our weekly special anytime, but, secretary duncan, i want to start with just your reaction to what we heard there from betsy devos. >> well, first of all, just good morning. thanks for having me. thanks for take viewer questions, it's so important to have this conversation. so what we're seeing, you know, my personal honest belief is the catastrophic failure of leadership coming from the trump administration and we've taken a really, really bad pandemic and made continue fa nateit infinit worse. consequences for teachers, staff, and education have been devastating. >> you mentioned viewer questions, we have one for you. this one comes from patricia pro new york. it's about substitute teachers. >> if you're taking the temperature of everyone who enters the school and maybe a lot of teachers have temperatures, how will you get enough subs to cov

. >>> later, former secretary of education arnie duncan returns to our broadcast to talk about how to get our children back into school safely. et our childk into school safely >>> out to the west. health officials in l.a. warn there could be a second shutdown in the state that weeks ago was considered a national model, the place that had coronavirus almost under control. now as we record yesterday, california has officially surpassed new york as the state with the most coronavirus infections. florida is pushing new york to take over second place. the state shattered yet another record yesterday, over 7,000 hospitalizations across california with more than 2,000 cases in intensive care. today there are over 422,000 confirmed cases in california. more than 10% of the nation's total. more than 8,000 residents have thus far lost their lives to the virus. l.a. county health director warns it killed twice as many in the county as the flu in the first half of 2020. that's on track to be a record. second leading cause of death behind coronary heart disease. >> welcome to the broadcast, direc

but arnie duncan does care. arnie duncan was president barack obama's secretary of education. he knows that the president of the united states has absolutely no authority to force any school in america to reopen, not one. and not one school in america will reopen because donald trump wants them to. that's the most important thing to keep in mind whenever you hear donald trump talk about schools reopening. he has the same amount of power over that as you do, none. the other thing to keep in mind is that donald trump has been publically diagnosed as a sociopath by esteemed health professionals and by his niece who wrote a book telling us that donald trump is incapable of caring about the life or death of anyone who attends or works in a public school. here is former secretary of education arnie duncan today on msnbc. >> there is no body count high enough for the president to actually pay attention to science. we could lose another 10,000, another 50,000, another 100,000. nothing would compel him to listen to dr. fauci and others who are fighting to save lives. and schools are no

i want to bring in arnie duncan, former education secretary under president obama. a lot to get to.et me start with the question that a lot of parents are having now which is what are the consequences of kids being out of school for so long and this uncertainty in the summer months before they know what they're going to do. if they don't go back to school in the fall. you a lot of moms and dads, working parents not able to do homeschooling and their jobs. >> it's very complicated. i will mention two truths. as a parent first and foremost, i think all of us parents desperately want our children to be up to go back to school. we want them to able to go back to school safely. what we do collectively across the country during july, that will determine whether or not our kids go back to school safely in august and september. so anyone who thinks schools can just make these decisions in isolation, it's not how this works. schools are not bubbles. if we decide to wear masks, if we decide to stay out of bars, if we decide to stay out of indoor restaurants, if we do the things we need to do,

and arnie duncan, i would like to begin with you. the idea that the president of the united states can, first of all, somehow order people to go back into schools or then also somehow penalize schools financially if people don't go back to school the way donald trump wants them to, what is your reaction to all of that? >> well, he's a liar. and that's not news, but he's bluffing and he has no power here. so let me just make a couple things very, very clear. the president of the united states doesn't fund public education. that's what congress does. he has no ability to order schools to go back. we all desperately want our children to go back to school, but it has to be safe to do so. because this administration has done such a terrible job of keeping our kids and our community safe, that's an open question right now. i desperately want our kids to go back in july, this month, to catch up to what they lost academically and socially during march and april and may and june, but because our country did not follow what scientists tell us

joining us now, arnie duncan, who had secretary devos's job in the obama administration.lso, former baltimore health commissioner, dr. leana wen. first, what goes through your mind? >> well, it's unbelievably disturbing and infuriating. obviously, she is lying. obviously, there's no science there. and not only is she fundamentally dishonest, she's dangerous. and fortunately, you know, parents, teachers, superintendents, children, aren't paying any attention to what she's saying. she's made herself irrelevant. the president's made himself irrelevant. we're going to be led out of this, by amazing local leadership who live in communities, who live around people, are going to make the right decisions for children. educationally, yes, but also for their health and safety. that's going to happen at the local level, the grassroots level. >> so, dr. wen, secretary devos, president trump don't seem to be living in the same world as dr. birx and dr. fauci about how little we know about how this virus affects children. so how much does this add to confusion for parents, not to menti

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on america's newsroom arnie duncan said he supports keeping kids home. >> schools are not islands. communities where the virus is spiking, really unsafe for children, for staff, teachers, custodians, the principal, children, parents and grandparents to go back. >> duncan would not cite any scientific evidence to back this up despite being asked to do so out of europe and asia are any guide critics say it is unnecessary and counterproductive to keep schools closed. numerous countries including france, finland, belgium, sweden and japan put students back in class full-time in many cases without masks, alternate schedules or extra distance between desks and saw no spike in outbreaks, documented cases of young children passing the virus to classmates or adults are rare. german study found schoolkids might act as a brake on infection and in a recent story on nbc news five pediatricians all agreed they send their kids to school. >> my kids are looking forward to it. >> absolutely. >> as much as i can. >> i have no concerns about something much of the school in the fall. >> reporter: back

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former obama education secretary arnie duncan was asked repeatedly on fox news this morning to cite datan support of his warnings against reopening schools in the fall. this is how even he responded. >> what specific data are you relying on to say we cannot put our kids back in school? >> again, it is not just children. it is children and adults. communities where it is spiking, that is not a safe place for our kids to be. lou: and that is pure nonsense. duncan could not cite anything. no data. because the data points in exactly the opposite direction of his narrative. here is doctor scott, the former neurology chief at stanford medical center and he has the facts. >> we know at this point if you believe in the science, the science says that 99.97% of deaths in the u.s. are in people over 15. 99.99% people over 24. everywhere in the western world has shown that children do not transmit significantly to adults, even their own parents, you can believe the science or not. >> the science and absolute opposition to the national left-wing media. of course, that is disturbing to the left becaus

on "america's newsroom" today, former education secretary arnie duncan said he supports keeping kidsome. >> schools aren't bubbles. they are not islands. we see communities where the virus is spiking is actually really unsafe for children, for staff, for teachers, for custodians, for the principal, for children's parents and grandparents to go back. >> but duncan would not cite any scientific evidence to back this up, despite being asked repeatedly to do so. and if europe and asia are any guide, critics say is absolutely unnecessary and counterproductive to keep schools closed. numerous countries, including france, finland, belgium, sweden and japan put students back in class both time, in many cases without mask, alternate schedules or extra distance between desks and saw no spiking outbreaks. documented cases of young children passing the virus to classmates or adults are rare. a german study found schoolkids might actually act as a brake on infection. and in a recent story on nbc news, five pediatricians all agreed they would send their kids to school. >> i will. my kids are looki

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joining us now is arnie duncan who had secretary devoss' job in the obama administration and balloterore health commissioner. secretary duncan, first to you, when you hear secretary devoss with the authority of your former office say things like that, who goes through your mind? >> well, it's unbelievably disturbing and infuriating. she's lying. obviously, there is no science there. not only is she fund mentally dishonest but dangerous and fortunately, you know, parents, teachers, superintendents, children aren't paying attention to what she's saying. she's made herself irrelevant. the president made himself irrelevant. we'll be led out of this by leadership that will make the right decisions for children. educationally, yes but for their health and safety. that the going to happen at the local level and gross roots level. >> they don't seem to be living in the same universe as dr. birx who we heard earlier and dr. fauci about how little we actually know about how this virus affects children. so how much does this add to the confusion for parents not to mention administrators over sch

also, arnie duncan, former education secretary under president obama.eta secretary duncan, thanks for being with us. you just heard larry kudlow said. did that make sense to you? >> this is not the time to threaten to take money. they don't have the power to do that. he doesn't even have the power to give money. that would happen through congress. if they want reopening schools, they need to put 150, $200 billion out there to schools to get the ppe they need. we need a massive tutoring program to help kids catch up. unfortunately, too many places where we are seeing cases skyrocket to have to stay closed physically. >> dr. wen, i mean, it stands to reason if any kind of financial incent i have was offered, the schools most strapped for cash would be first to open. but aren't those schools the very same underserved communities that have been devastat devastated by the virus already? >> yeah, that he's right. these are completely backwards. you don't incentivize someone to reopen too soon and take a shortcut. because, frankly, we've seen what happens when

secretary of education under president obama arnie duncan. managing partner at emerson collective, an organization that works for social change. mr. secretary, since we last spoke have you seen or heard from anyone to reassure you of the degree of safety for students, the families they go home to at the end of the day, teachers, cafeteria workers, maintenance personnel, bus drivers and the like. >> well, i went back, looked at the data from a month ago, june 22nd, one month ago. at that point we had 35,000 cases per day. today we have 70,000 cases, that's double. we have 13 states where trends were going down. only two states where trends are going down. in terms of positive results, that's up 62%. so brian, unfortunately in the past 30 days or so, things have gotten much worse, not better. for us to open schools safely, you need a couple of things. you need the number of cases going down, not up. that's not happening. you need rapid results, good testing, reliable testing, rapid results, get them back quickly an act on those. those aren't ha

secretary of education arnie duncan says he understands students' frustrations and hopes they will seeo be willing to do the right thing to get through this to get to the other side so the next fall and the next fall after that and the next fall after that will be much better for all of us. >> reporter: now if there's a campus outbreak, officials advise shutting down buildings to disinfect and working with health officials to trace contact if the community spread is substantial, they advise making sure that those in-person classes are suspended for a much longer period of time. tony? >> tough choices there. meg, there's a big change coming this fall semester for international students taking classes here in the u.s. what do we know about that? >> reporter: that's right. immigration and customs enforcement says that international students with visas under the student and exchange program cannot take a full course of online classes, which means they have to transfer to a school with in-person classes or leave the country. we talked with one pakistani student who has lived in the u.s. for