. >> arnold abraham with the institute for defense analysis. i have a question. am a little surprised about the emphasis on security clearances. i spent time with the department of homeland security. we looked at the sharing for threat information with local police departments. over 10,000 local police departments in this country. a lot of people were pushing. we said at that time that that was not the answer. jay and marcus with your time in the private sector after being in government do you think an emphasis on security clearances is a proper, effective answer or not? >> i will take a quick stab. >> and then i am going to go to jeffrey. >> the security clearance thing is a bar that sometimes we cannot meet. particularly if we have a smart a smart person who might not have a clear of all background, how do we get them on the team? if the only people must have top security clearances. this is a new question that we have not had to ponder before. in an earlier era we could focus on those who had the proper background, but now we need the brainpower of those he mi

. >> arnold abraham. >> arnold abraham with the institute and ellis is. i have a question i'm surprised that supposed to put the emphasis on the cybersecurity clearances. i spend time with the department of homeland security after 9/11 we looked at the threat information with local police departments over 10,000 local police departments in this country. a lot of people were pushing saying we need security clearances and we said at the time that was not the answer. jay and marcus after having been in government, do you think that an emphasis on the security clearance is a proper answer, is it an effective answer or not? .. >> that's really where we're going here. and if the federal government comes up with something that needs to be shared one of our many frustrations is they'll pull in a clear private sector individual, they'll brief that individual on what's going on, but then that individual can't take any action because you've been told a government secret but you're sworn to secrecy, and you can't, you can't walk out the door with that. so frequently