arnold kline, did he often times leave the office looking a little tipsy? a little intoxicated? >> yes. >> estimate for us how many times a week you would do that, you would take him to dr. kline's office? >> it could fluctuate. there were times when he was going almost every day. >> i mean that is -- that is to me fairly dramatic in the sense that it establishes this pattern of regular trips to a doctor and coming away slurring speech, all the kind of thing we heard in that extraordinary tape yesterday. talk me through the rest of the day, ted. an interesting bit on twitter i thought overnight with your little exchange with jermaine jackson. jermaine pretty upset by our conversation last night in which you sort of intimated that his brother had been a drug addict and he said, look, this is not about michael being a drug addict. and you kind of accepted based on that one tape that wasn't the case. are you still feeling as confident given the evidence today? >> well, yeah, what jermaine jackson, his point was and it's well taken, that audio recording that we heard in court was so

they're layering in the role of other doctors, specifically arnold kline. they mention him in the opening. then when kenny ortega, first witness was up there, there's a question about arnold kline. they're going to plant the seed in the jury that it wasn't just propofol, it was demerol and plastic surgery and this other doctor who is not here. y they can point some of the blame that way. watch for that to be a constant theme. >> ted, thank you. we'll talk to you later now i want to bring this his longtime friend kathy hilton. a very, very difficult day, i would imagine, for you as his friend and for the family to see these pictures of michael lying dead. i found quite shocking. and the audio tape of him in an almost zombie-like condition perhaps even more so. what was your reaction to those two things? >> i saw that this morning, and when i heard the tape, i could not believe what i was hearing. i was -- i had never heard anything like that before with anyone. i mean, if that doesn't show you, don't you think that was enough? >> yeah, what does it show you,

arnold kline. tell me about this. what exactly came out today? >> well, every witness, starting with the opening statements, piers, but every witness so far that's taken the stand except for one lawyer, the defense has gotten kline out there and today they really struck from their standpoint. on two separate occasions they had the administrative assistant or the personal assistant to michael jackson and the head of security say that they were taking vacson to klein's office on an almost daily basis, he was getting demerol and coming out in an intoxicated state, a slurred state. they compared that audio recording. the lead defense attorney said was it like that recording we heard here in court? and the response from the witness stand was, well, it was sort of like that, not as dramatic but it was that slow speech. what they're obviously trying to do is get that other doctor who's not in the defendant's chair to take away some of the attention on murray. >> the reason it's so relevant is, of course, that it would establish a pattern here. demerol,