hiem who served in the capacity when governor gray davis was recalled through the early years of arnold swartsz neg ger and entrepreneur ron uns who authored prop 227 which effectively ended bilingual education in california. this is not a debate, it's a conversation. first, each of you, tell me something that is prchl and might surprise us about you? >> i spent most of my time serving in east palo alto, east san jose. what i've seen is the economic earthquake we've sofrd in this country. i can be spending in the morning one of the greatest accumulations of wealth in the history of civilization and spend the afternoon with people under the poverty line. >> who is ron z? >> i have lots of friends over the ideological spectrum involved in politics. one of the surprising thing is a lot of left rinders and right wingers agree on a lot of things, sometimes more than the mainstream of either party. >> tom, something personal? >> i'm the sixth of eighth child. when you're the sixth child, they don't tell you when hide and seek is over. as a family growing up, we had a lot of great conversations around