he's got a remarkable sense of humor, smart, committed, arris matic. but he's been traumatized. he's been hurt by what we did to him for 30 years. and it will take a long time to recover from that. and he won't fully recover ever, no one does. i have a client in florida who was 13 years of age when he was sentenced to life without parole for nonhomicide offense. and he was so small the ward had to make one of these choices. i either put him in general population where he will be sexually a sauld or solitary confinement. they didn't alter the rules for this 13 area old boy. the rule is that you have to go six months without ever speaking too loudly, without ever talking back, without ever doing anything wrong or we will not let you out. and for a 13-year-old boy, isolated from all human beings, no touch, no opportunities to get outside your cell, that was torture. and so he could never go six month was doing something wrong, without cutting himself, or getting mad. >> rose: he could never get out. >> he spent 18 years in solitary confinement, 18 years. >> rose: what did it do to