that's what they tried to do in artesia with mothers and children. before there were attorneys there, they were moving and deporting hundreds of people so i think it's really important at that very first instance when somebody encounters law enforcement that they have access to counsel or at least information regarding their legal rights. i think it's more than just a pamphlet because you don't know if they speak or understand the language. as it has been said today, we have seen so many more children with indigenous languages coming into the system. you can't just hand a child from guatemala a know your rights booklet. i child is going to have a very difficult time understanding their rights. we play game was them to help you can't just hand a child from guatemala a know your rights booklet. i child is going to have a very difficult time understanding their rights. we play game was them to help them understand their rights. it's got to be more than just handing them a piece of paper. >> i would defer to my attorney colleagues but our experience is t