jeopardize the financial syssem and i think everybody has in the back of their mind what happened to arthur andersenfter enron, that company went down in flames. if a large bank were to go down in flames, and woul could take e economy with it, what is the solution to that problem, what do we do about that? that seems unacceptable especially since we bailed them out. >> senator brown and i want information on the basis of this judgment. if they are too big in that instance and maybe something needs to be done about that, some of these banks were involved in money laundering and drug money. this is pretty heavy stuff, if you're involved in those operations and you know about it, we ought to at least know who made the decision that we weren't going to do that, and if you cannot enforce laws against money laundering, it is pretty bad. we had to get to a situation where you violate laws like that cathat, you can be punished. gerri: hsbc faced a money laundering fine of $2 billion, a record only 11% of the profits from last year as a comparison. give me a little rule, hsbc wasn't all that much i suppose.