that's just -- that's the arthur andersen syndrome. >> right. >> puts the whole thing out of business. they were out of business. >> let's go to some interesting things. my thesis, having you as a guest on our show from time to time which is a great pleasure. my thesis is alan dershowitz is not as liberal as people think he is. now, i just want to begin with this. you're a great defend other telephone first amendment, freedom of speech of all times. so am i i'm a reagan conservative. i completely agree with you. >> i almost wrote a book called "why i left the left but couldn't join the right." if i were living in england today, coy be a member of the conservative party. the conservative party in england opposes the death penalty, favors a woman's rights to choose abortion, is in favor of gay rights. they just differ on foreign policy. they have a tougher foreign policy. they differ on economic issues systems of i am a civil libertarian liberal, but i still call myself a liberal. and i'm proud of it. >> all right. well, be proud of it. one of the things i read, for example, an issue, a