went to michigan in the protestant reform, and arthur andersen busines business in det chicago thing princeton seminary. i went on t down to the wesley d seminary in dc x. to the american university come into the great liberal friend of mine who wrote economics and ethics in the same book so that was kind of the fire. i knew i wanted to teach philosophy and theology in college and then once i saw that go to the combination of economics and ethics in the book that wa was it this way went to work for the army a little bit and world bank and philippines on education and met my wife and was lucky enough we both moved down to randolph and toss economics and ethics so that's how i live it out. it is my calling putting those two things together and keeping the conversation going. a lot of the book is old lecture notes. >> this is obviously a book like economics ethics philosophy. but you did touch on what you just mentioned here because it isn't a memoir there isn't much detail around it. i'm sure the viewers would like to know the story. we consider you both friends. tell us how you came t

the guys who ran arthur andersen. about the same thing. we're not your problem. we can't criminally prosecute you. hell, you're your own boss. you are the ceo and the chairman. hold yourself to accountability. oh, my god, you've been bad, oh, no, you haven't. that's ridiculous. your problem is coming. it's not today. you think today is snuf it's coming. when the prosecutors get a hold of you, you're going to have a lot of fun. so i want to thank you for that. i want to ask you, you've got the graphic up here. you know this guy? see, i'm not a real good researcher. i'm not a prosecutor. this is simple internet rnl. that's all i'm capable of doing. google it. wells fargo. boom. whole bunch of stuff shows up. this is mr. robert holmes, who apparently robbed your bank in lancaster, pennsylvania. he did not use a weapon. he got caught. they got all the money back. he's in jail as we speak on a $750,000 bail. you, on the other hand, have run an enterprise that has a culture of corporation, you encourage subordinates to abuse existing customers by opening fake bank acco