was it the arthur andersen, which ended up in the liquidation of the firm?f the famous holder memo that you write about, that i have written about, the whole doctrine? eric holder is the attorney general, and he is the one not prosecuting these cases. how does it happen? how do we go from people being paraded out, michael milken, his to pay being taken off -- his to oupee taken off? jesse: the thing that i did not find, i don't think exists, the memo or call from timothy geithner to eric holder saying don't prosecute bankers. i don't believe that happened. i think it is a much more systemic problem, institutional problem at the department of justice. there is a lot of unexamined assumptions. everyone understands what they should or shouldn't do. the reason is, they think they want to perform corporate coulter. they think they can reform corporate culture by settling with companies. these things where they write checks and make a bunch of promises to perform -- to perform and behave better. corporate executives are ords ofally, in the w one sec guy, these are

he had two jobs come he worked for two people whose entire life, the accounting firm arthur andersen and united health so who was in his peer group? google, microsoft, goldman sachs , general electric. i mean the idea that google is going to hire some guy who does accounting and maybe health care , and it's absolutely shameless and all they talk about, you go to the proxy and it looks like chico these guys are pretty offensive and -- all of this verbiage and the whole basis of this thing is we have got to pay him what his peers may exist there is a market. this is in the market, this is a racket. this is just a rigged system and i think i say in the book it's as much, it's about as market-based as paying soviet commissars under brezhnev. >> i'm in total agreement with this. we have two more minutes to talk about and i don't know if you are going to ask for solutions but i would like to hear about your solutions because you have a chapter at the end, an alarming number of quotes from bernie sanders. it can't make you popular among your peers. >> i don't think that's going to make me p