i go through life and i speak to different people and young people and when they don't know who arthur ashe is and they think it's just a stadium, ashe stadium, i'm like, "okay." and i realize that a lot of people really never knew the man arthur ashe. and i had that privilege, and i wanted to tell that story, as well as tell the story of my predecessor naomi sims, who was the reason why i wore my hair pulled back, the reason why i went in to the wig and hair-extension business, the reason why i went in to the makeup business -- because she was so extraordinary -- beautiful but also extraordinarily gracious. >> yeah. she was truly -- and that's one of the things that i found interesting in the book, is that you made it a point of saying that about ms. sims. and you talked about the relationship you had with other models at the time that were, i would say, less than gracious. >> yes. it was a reality show. if there had been a reality show at that moment, you know, it was, you know, those kind of interactions that people think that goes on -- you know, the kind of catfighting that went on --