what's your relationship with aei or with arthur brooks? >> well, i don't have any formal relationship with aei. arthur has been a friend and a mentor of mine for many years. one of the nice things about this book is concerned with issues poverty in network and how we help poor people, and what i wanted to do was write a book that would not just connect to academic audiences, but to a broader array of individuals and organizations that work in this area. many of those are nonprofit, many of those are faith-based organizations, and arthur is an expert on the nonprofit sector and understands how critical that sector is to the work we do. and, you know, he provided invaluable insight and structure as i moved forward with the book. >> you're a professor here at the university of chicago, what department do you teach? >> just celebrated its 100th year a year ago, it's a school of social work. we train thousands of students to be practitioners and counselors, go on to serve millions of americans over the course of all their careers. i teach cours

. >> host: arthur brooks has endorsed your book. what is your relationship with aei or erred dr. brooks? >> guest: i have no formal relationship although he has been a friend and mentor of mine one nice thing about the book with the issues of poverty how we help poor people of one to write a book that would connect to a broader array of individuals and organizations that work in the area of many of those are nonprofit and to understand how critical this sector is to the work that we do to provide invaluable os -- the structures. >> host: you are professor at university of chicago. those that have celebrated the 100 year one year ago we hope to train those over the course of a career and i teach courses on the history of the welfare state and also this spring in teaching a course for nonprofit to connect students to emerging strategies for more effective the program. >> would drew you to the social service sector? >> >> my dad lost his job and did not have a college degree it was hard for him to find work and i had social welfare policy and the content connected with me and i felt

arthur ray. we know three people died from that sweatlodge ceremony in arizona. how long has this trial been going on? it's in its 50th day, brookeys for its case in chief, so a very long trial so far for james ray. >> what does the jury have to find in order to convict him? less than a minute. >> he's been charged with three counts of reckless homicide. the jury has to find he knew there was a risk of death when he put those people in that sweat lodge, and even though he knew the risk, he consciously disregarded it tough standard to prove for this prosecution. >> what do you think, quick prediction? >> i think itil