as arthur brooks said at the national prayer breakfast, loving your enemies is one of the most powerfulthings anyone can do. when an average nonbeliever looks at the christian community as if there was such a thing, the first thing they recognize, loving their enemies, praying for those who persecute them, caring for what is and orphans? those are instructions and jesus himself and people who claim to be followers of him and believe the bible's narrative is infallible, act not exactly following the precepts and commands of the one they are following. to really want influence, where is the power of god come from? political leadership? mustard seed, last place of the table, week but strong, humble yourself under the mighty hand of god and those who wait for the lord shall we knew their strength, not because we are stupid and don't listen, he repeats himself, if you want my power you got to do it my way, jesus said he would be the leader among you must be your servant first, washing feet, all these things, humility gets god's attention. where do you see humility in washington? only in the

. >> arthur brooks this morning said the way to handle this like adults is for the u.s. basically to slowly and gradually decouple sort to speak and especially in those industries of national importance like pharmaceuticals. do you think that's the case and there's other places to say we can keep on supplying stuff in china, selling in china. the rest is not our problem. >> the motinotion that 80% or 9o antibiotics sourced with chinese materials, who didn't look at that earlier we should decouple in areas of national security importance and then limit the areas, make them in the militarily sensitive areas and don't expect that the entire world will go along with the complete decoupling from the chinese economy. a lot of our top trading companies or number one or two trading partners is china as the other partner. the other thing arthur brooks said which i thought was really smart is we are carrying a big -- sorry we are speaking loudly and carrying a small stick instead of speaking quietly and carrying a stick. we have to talk less and get down to coming up with a long-t

that would have been one of the greatest symbols of reconciliation and forgiveness and arthur brooks also said during his talk before the president.he said look, if you can't do it out of your heart,. who is better at thinking it that a reality tv star donald trump. but jesus set the example when he was on the cross. he was unfairly tried, unfairly convicted and he was unfairly crucified and he said father, forgive them for they know not what they do. that is the ultimate reconciling statement and i think it's not about the president agreeing with nancy policy,it's not about him and i think rightly feeling he was wronged by these articles of impeachment . it was the last step after the molar report, charges of racism, all these other things that didn't stick and so then they tried the impeachment route. i think he could perform a great healing act had he gone, what would it cost him? >> what keeps people back from extendingthat grace on both sides ? >> it's all about the quest for power but it's not real power. god offers power. i think the fundraisers, i've seen some of this from th

this play out, right it sounds to me like they're going to talk really tough it goes back to what arthur brooks said, we're going to talk really tough about it, but not really going to do anything. >> well, i'm not going to speak to what the administration will do i know that there is conversations going on in the interagency process and obviously the president is involved and the administration has a range of policy choices that they're considering, you know, from visas to export controls to tariffs. what we really want is, first off, president xi jinping and president trump to have a regular dialogue two, what we want is for there to be some kind of strategic framework in these discussions between the two governments. we need china and the united states to have a functional relationship the world needs it if we're going to address the economic hardships and of course the public health hardships coming from the pandemic, then the two countries, the most powerful nations in the world, the two largest economies in the world need to figure out where they can cooperate we're going to have some dif

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