those who attended the four african-american elementary schools, like the one where we are now, so arthur brownas a friend of one of the lawyers who was the local counsel for the case. , and named charles bledsoe they were recruiting people in the community who they thought would be good, upstanding citizens who they thought would want to participate in the case, so oliver brown is one of those. accidental who is whose name is a true did, so oliver brown's name is there, although there is another been's name who would have first, but for some reason, his name was listed first, so his is round, but he was simply one of the 13 parents who was recruited, and nationwide, there were actually five cases that were a part of the brown decision that included 200 plaintiff's total, so just by history, we refer to it as the brown family, where it is a piece of a larger story. the facilities here in the monroe school were excellent. when a lot of people walk in the building, if they're old enough to remember going to kindergarten in a school like this, it looks like what they attended whether they were whi

joining us today -- pulitzer prize-winning journalist and the author of "one righteous man," arthur browne. thank you so much for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you for having me, sandra. i appreciate it. >> this book really is a walk-through history, through new york city history, in a lot of ways -- and even the country's to a smaller extent. what drew you to sam battle's story? >> okay. in 2009, an amateur historian had known about sam battle and known that he'd been the first cop on the new york city police force, that he'd broken in in 1911. he persuaded new york city to place a sign up on the intersection of lenox avenue and 135th street. the daily news did a little story. they called him the jackie robinson of the police department. i'd worked with the daily news for 35 years as a journalist and never thought about the concept, never wondered, "how did all this start?" so i went back to find out and research, and that's what led to the book. >> and when you started digging, man, did you find out some interesting things -- i think one of them that this man realized, to a cert

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ali muhammed brown is behind bars, harris and will remain there until his next court appearance in october. >> rick leventhal, thank you very much. get your impressions, arthur case. first of its kind tried like this in the state of new jersey. >> perspective what the mom said, it is a are parent's worst nightmare and it is. it is also law enforcement's worst nightmare. you can't prevent this, there is nothing, unless you lived in military state. had guy's quotes, all these lives are taken every single day by america, this government. so a life for a life. a lone guy went out there to kill three absolutely innocent, wonderful people. there is nothing you can do to stop it, by new jersey's law he will never see life of day. >> what about life for life? what about his life? how likely new jersey can take his. >> i don't believe they can. new jersey, even if it is on the books, i'm not sure if it is, new jersey hasn't executed anybody forever. he will not see light of day and will be treated, actually this is probably going to be a federal crime. he could get the death penalty. it doesn't happen in new jersey. basically what happens, they put you in a box. they

brown, thank you so much. pamela will continue to work her sources. thank you for bringing that to us. let me bring back in harry houck as well as arthurerick, former assistant director for the u.s. marshals service. as soon as pamela said that, made me think of exactly what you said and how you thought this would likely end. we don't know if he's dead according to pamela's sources, what his injuries are. but authorities, police confront him and say he shot himself. >> right, exactly. we see this in a lot of cases. where is this guy going to go? the fact is he's not your typical regular criminal where he's grown up being a criminal. committed this horrible act, apparently he had reached some point in his life where -- it was a breaking point for him somehow psychologically and he felt he had to kill these people. we see this happen from time to time, usually most of the time when you have a shooting like this, it's either a suicide by cop or they kill themselves and as we see here, looks like it's over. >> a lot more to work through, though. evan perez brought up something that it all dawned on us that he was absolutely right when he s