. >> guest: you know, arthur c clarke wrote about this in his third back, which is a bible in the community, and he's got -- he mentions a lunar colony and a mars colony and he's got the mars colony under a colassal plexiglass dome and you can see vegetation and automobiles. the dome has to keep out raidation which on mars is terrible. but again, what choice do you have? one really bad lit and earth is -- bad hit and earth is gone and we just evaporate. will the universe care? no. but i care. i've got grandchildren. >> host: it's not just the volcanos and asteroids. you can think of any number of things getting out of hand. it's lucky we made it through the colored war. >> guest: and terrorists. look at the stuff we're pouring into the ocean, and air pollution and global warming and climate change. absolutely. what is the old line, we have met the enemy and he is us. >> host: what i think is you have to have a lot of people to maintain a society such that when the threat is gone, and the earth is settled back down into something like normal, to get a bunch back to earth so that they could s