now arthur capitol, he's director of medical ethics at, in why use language medical center in new york city, professor tablets. good to see you again. you know, we've spoken numerous times in this pandemic. obviously the question always came back. where did they come from? now we've got a u. s. agency saying, well, it probably was an accident in the lab and the response i would've expected it to have been bigger than, than it has been. are you surprised at how muted it seems the response has been well 1st, thanks for having me back. i'm not surprised because the report basically said we can't rule out last week. and they didn't really say it is the last week, even from that agency report. and we've got many, many other experts and reports that are still pointing toward some type of transmission from animals in the so called wet markets. where are people who might deal with exotic intervals? so it put the issue back on the table, but it's far from settle. is it an issue grounded in any type of medical facts or are we dealing with what we know is the case, many times politics here that i