arthur feinstein and meredith thomas are the two cards i have. >> arthur feinstein, chair of the san francisco chapter of the sierra club and happen foi talk to you again about this very important general plan element. and just recently remet with eline and had a cordial and productive meeting and we are somewhat encouraged and maybe even more than that that we will be able to work through this and i am hopeful we will get closer to a meeting of the minds and i want to talk about a couple of issues i didn't talk about last time and one of them sue brought up today in terms of the proposals and this is section 172, policy 172, proposal to prenew recreation, cultural buildings and point three and that is charter, so if we didn't follow, that we'd have real problems. and the problematic areas of site and why wouldn't we put a library on an open space and why would you put a library on open space? if you want ancillary businesses and structures, they should be zoned on the streets next to it like at golden gate park or lincoln and 10th with the bikes and stuff out on the street, not in t

commissioner moore's comments on the commercial use and i tend to agree maybe not to the extent with arthur feinstein and i believe there is the possibility of food service in the middle of a large space and there might even be in the middle of golden gate park a kiosk that rents bikes. you work with this sort of thing, but what was happening at the embarcadaro is abominable in my opinion and i don't know who would be in favor of that, but to do that to put money in the recreational coffers is very bad. i'll stop there. president olague: i wanted to mepgs and my questions -- i wanted to mention and my questions will probably be answered in the next couple of months that relate to access issues and you showed the map and wondering if that covers areas that are underserved and are areas that have a higher population of youth and seniors is the question. >> i am wondering if youth and seniors and if there are access issues or issues of under representation to public space and are there fewer parks where fewer parks where seniors live and the map that showed the views but trying to get a sense of where t