well, tell arthur miller about that. he wouldn't be happy. that's right.[laughter] how would you describe your career? my career, or who i am as a playwright? that's an even better question. i don't know. i'm a playwright. i hope that my plays have something to do with how we live and how we could alter that, perhaps. i hope my plays are useful. i hope that my craft is getting better so that i can provide something that is both diverting and involving at the same time. but i don't think about myself in the third person very much. our guest has been playwright edward albee. i'm ken paulson, back next week with another conversation about free expression, the arts, and america. hope you can join us then for speaking freely. captioning provided by the first amendment center, funded by the freedom forum. captioning by kathy at captionmax www.captionmax.com . >> my name is mark tieman and i'm senior councilor at pet camp, san francisco, california. we dispose of a lot of carbon-based material here, dog poop, and the more we can turn that into something viable, t

for more on this case, here's greg miller, national security correspondent for the "washington post." and arthur keller, a former case officer in the c.i.a. part of his work there focused on iran's missile and nuclear programs. is first, greg miller, is it hard to believe that the cia would pay $5 million to a guy who is just as, as he called-- what did he call himself, a simple researcher with no classified information? >> i'm sure the cia would say they wouldn't pay $5 million to somebody who fits that description. but it's not hard to believe that the agency would pay large sums of money to defectors, especially from a nation like iran, where the agency is desperate for better intelligence on what is happening inside that country, and what it's doing with its nuclear program. >> lehrer: so your report about the $5 million stands up as far as you're concerned? >> oh, yeah. >> lehrer: arthur keller s it believable to you as well that the cia would pay that kind of money to this kind of guy? >> it is. iranian nuclear physicist does not grow on trees. and to get someone with really good access, s