arthur oliver. in st. louis, the d.a. arthur oliver is a firebrand just attorney. -- district attorney. any accusation he will take to court. he will make sure st. louis is a patriotic and loyal town. in kansas city, not so much. francis wilson. in essence argues if it is conversation, me and you in private, that's private conversation. that cannot been charged under the espionage act. how is a private conversation going to hinder the effort of t he military? what he argues is that if it is published, it is somewhere in here it is -- if it is published, then it could hinder the draft. it could hinder with the military effort during this war. so if it's people just talking with each other, be int in a ina or one-on-one, we cannot charge them. only if soldiers are present during a public speech, such as this, for example. we have had -- if we had half of andaudience being soldiers, are told that the kaiser will win this war. of course that will dishearten the soldiers. if no soldiers are present, will it still have an impac