i had a long lunch with arthur salzburger, jr. i was nervous. he took know a very nice restaurant, i picked up my food. >> rose: and what did he want to know? >> he was very frank with me. he wanted to know about my vision of where the news report needed to go and he wanted to discuss both some of my strengths and some weaknesses. >> rose: so he had an appraisal of both strengths and weaknesses and whether they would make... >> and i thought they were quite fair. >> rose: anding a senate >> i thought they were accurate. >> rose: like what did hsay in >> he said that, you know, when i amin a bad mood i can be too usque with people and that you can just read it on my face tt there's, like, good scil who's delighted and engaged and wants to talk about a great story and compliments reports. >> rose: and bad jill is... >> would, like, interrupt and be bad. >> rose: does bad jill until or need to work on listening? >> she has to work on listening. she does. the. >> rose: (laughs) how do you work on it? >> >> well, i just try to take a deep breath and

i had a long lunch with arthur salzburger, jr. i was nervous. he took know a very nice restaurant, i picked up my food. >> rose: and what did he want to know? >> he was very frank with me. he wanted to know about my vision of where the news report needed to go and he wanted to discuss both some of my strengths and some weaknesses. >> rose: so he had an appraisal of both strengths and weaknesses and whether they would make... >> and i thought they were quite fair. >> rose: anding a senate >> i thought they were accurate. >> rose: like what did hsay in >> he said that, you know, when i amin a bad mood i can be too usque with people and that you can just read it on my face tt there's, like, good scil who's delighted and engaged and wants to talk about a great story and compliments reports. >> rose: and bad jill is... >> would, like, interrupt and be bad. >> rose: does bad jill until or need to work on listening? >> she has to work on listening. she does. the. >> rose: (laughs) how do you work on it? >> >> well, i just try to take a deep breath and

. >> and when arthur salzburger asked her at a lunch interview, he said what are your weaknesses? i have to listen more, i have to stop interrupting people, and i know that's a weakness i have. it was a weakness that hal had. but hal didn't know he had -- >> and he would've never said it. as long as you know it, you can legislate. you know, but you have to know it first. >> sam, you've been talking about this piece this morning, it's just a great -- >> it's a great piece. and one of the things -- it sort of gives you a window as to what the paper's going to be like in a year or two. and one of the things that stuck out is how jill wanted more resources on investigative reporting and what she called scooplets. the sort of limited non -- you could say limited political stories that ended up being discarded in the trash the next hour. as you interviewed her and talked to her, what can you see for the future of the "new york times"? >> well, she takes great pride in looking at today's headline and saying let's look around the corner. today, you mentioned murdoch. and there's a huge st