i think he was very comfortable in the company of arthur schlesinger, that schlesinger is somebody who inside the white house, he would quite often drop by at the end of the day. kennedy would beckon him into the oval, whoever was in there and invite him to join those conversations. he often liked ruminating with schlesinger about, what was this like with, in the days of grover cleveland or pulled or truman or whoever? he liked those aspects but you know as well as i do that kennedy was interesting in that he was never really close to anyone. william dahmer makes this point in his book that he uses people where they are useful. he enjoys people company but even the kind of characters like dave powers , they're not really, nobody gets close to him. this is something that i've come to realize over a number of presidents that i look at and worked on, reagan was similar that he's almost a characteristic of those, is very distinction in the oval office because there's he's something unknowableabout him . >> you used the entirety of arthur's diaries, there's an edited version but a lot of th

q&a to what extent do you think president kennedy was comfortable sharing his thinking with arthur schlesinger, i think that's an interesting question. i think he's comfortable in company of schlesinger, inside the white house would quite often drop by at the end of the day, kennedy would beck him in the oval and invite them to join most conversations and he quite often like illuminating about what was this like in the days of grover cleveland. but you know as well as i do, tim, that kennedy was interesting in that he was never really close to anyone, robert downing makes his point about the kennedy court that he uses people useful and enjoys people's company but even the characters like dave powers, they are not really -- nobody really gets close to him and this is something that i've come to realize over a number of presidents that i've looked at and worked on, reagan was very similar that almost a characteristic of those who served with distinction in the oval office and there's actually something unoval about them. >> you make very good use about the entirety of arthur's diaries, there's a