in the first academic poll by arthur schlessinger sr. in 1948, cleveland was rangd eighth, and john adams was ranked ninth. cleveland, as we all know -- we don't know much about cleveland, i mean, i didn't before i started, and to be honest with you, i still don't -- [laughter] i know enough to be able to talk about him a little bit. what we know about him, though, everyone knows is he's the only president who served two nonconsecutive terms. less known is the fact that after each of those terms, his party was tossed out of the white house. the first time, 888, with him on the ticket, and the second time after his party had basically said we don't want you on the ticket, but the voters still tossed out the democrats under william jennings bryan and brought in william mckinley. so he represents -- he really is the only two-time, one-term president in our history. [laughter] so my question is how in the world if you think the voters are not totally stupid, how in the world can he be considered number eight? i mean, i didn't think he should