>> don't forget, arthur sulzberger jr.had made a really bad mistake when he appointed hal reins as the editor of the "time yes in 20001. he won multiple pulitzer prizes. he was a great editor of the "new york times," one of the greatest after 9/11. but he had a very difficult management style. he was brusque, and he was brulal, and ultimately he lost the support of the staff, and in the the end, arthur sulz berg in 2003, had to fire him -- >> there was a plagiarism issue. >> yeah, absolutely right. when he debated whether to make jill abramson the next editor of the "times" in 2011, or dean beckett, he worried that jill abramson was like hal in many ways, that she was too rough-- not as rough as hal by any means-- but she had a brusque reputation, and he worried about that. he told me at the time that he was profile abramson, that he decide she had the experience, she was tough, and she had the digital experience, that dean beckett lacked the same amount of experience and he chose her. they had a good relationship for a pe

that was viewed as a combative move by the publisher, arthur sulzberger. i do think that the question of sexism is a fair one to explore. i would add that it is not simply due to her attitude in page-one meetings. >> would this have happened if there was no -- someone as strong, prepared to take over, who clearly had himself some conflict with jill according to what we read and someone that the paper valued as a future editor and probably jill thought of as a future editor-in-chief. >> certainly. having dean who is executive editor in that position created some new pressures. he was trying to be coached by -- poached by other news organizations and that might have played in to this as well. what we know is that jill abramson did not have a great relationship with our thistles -- relationship with sulzberger. there are areas where they butted heads as well. when you have that dynamic owing -- going on, added to some of these moves up that i mentioned behind the scenes, maybe behind peoples back added to a general frustration with her management style, with

he was saying, in effect, "you, arthur sulzberger, will have blood on your hands if there's another attack that could've been prevented by this program." i think anybody would feel goosebumps. >> the new york times broke the story about the national security agency... >> narrator: nevertheless, the times decided to publish the story, revealing the

quoting publisher arthur sulzberger jr. ten tenure i heard about a series of issues including arbitrary decision making, failure to consult and bring her colleagues with her, inadequate communication and the public mistreatment of colleagues." he went on "ultimately i concluded she had lost the support of her masthead colleagues and could not win it back." let's talk about that, shall we? joining me now host of cnn's reliable sources brian who used to work at the "times." brian, i have to begin with you, jill abramson was your boss and here you are covering media. you're wearing two hats for us right now. i'd like to go back first to her speech this morning at wake forest. i've been reading a lot of the tweets from her daughter and on instagram and ahead of time her daughter put on instagram that her mother would take t the #highroad. but she surprised us in which she did address this firing. what did you make of the speech. >> she surprised me. i thought she would make a cut l subtle references and move on but she talked a

but arthur sulzberger's response was, what this shows is that women are fired, sometimes, just as men are. >> well, that's reasonable enough. and yet, somehow, the attention and criticism i think was focused on the woman in this story, jill. and not on, say, the fellow who runs the paper, who has had a heck of a lot of executive editors in the past decade who has hired them and who has fired them. so, perhaps there's some temperament going on there. you know? we don't know the exact facts. it seems to me, all of the exact facts about money. but has there been a little pushing around of a woman here? i suspect so. >> well, here's what's real. you know, it's not just journalism. women on average are paid less in every sector. and when women are assertive and commanding leadership, people call them names like pushy. nancy pelosi has been remarkably successful as a speaker. john boehner hasn't gotten anywhere close. and yet, people don't draw the comparison. and she gets roughed up by the right a lot. i guess we just see it too much to isolate this from so many other things where women ar

what do you make of arthur sulzberger getting killed in the press yesterday? >> they bungled it and completely and absolutely. they reason they had to put it out on saturday because all the sun shows are going to be talking about how "the new york times" really bungled it. the problem is it's peak that -- pathetic he had to attack jill after shoving her out the door. >> they spent a lot of ink, though, on this equal pay issue, and now it turns out that there wasn't equal pay even though the times says there was, and they look like hip owe credits. the coverage was weighted heavily in the equal pay issue. >> we can talk about this story all day. i think it's fantastic. to have the publisher of the "new york times" complaining about mainstream media coverage is fantastic. i mean, here this is the -- >> try to restrain yourself. >> this is the team that created the mainstream media tactic of bullying. i disagree with lauren completely. the simple fact is that there was one source in the story. that's clear it was jill abramson. she completely made up this whole p

arthur sulzberger was responsible for her appointment.utjill but many, many women in top positions. she was a role model for the women. we know how upset they are to see the way in which she was dismissed. >> can you look back in terms of your struggles with the industry, when women begin to raise these issues in the newsroom with management, the reaction, what happens to those who speak out? >> well, there are those people who have supported women. there are always allies among the men. and it is also true that many men in management feel that women aren't as qualified, or getting ahead because of affirmative action. that creates tension among your colleagues. therefore, women are always scrutinized in their management abilities. you know, how they manage. because so much stigma is attached to being more assertive, being aggressive, being what is called pushy. and women, unfortunately, have to learn how to navigate those waters well and men don't. shoulderesting you mention pushy. although there a non-disparagement agreement, i guess jil

c-span: first tell us who arthur sulzberger ... >> guest: i'm sorry. he is the son -- the only son and heir of punch sulzberger, who was publisher from 1963 until january of this year. several weeks before punch stepped aside and young arthur became the new publisher of the times in january of this year, he was at a bar mitzvah for one of the innumerable, sort of, sulzberger clan, and also there was harriet rabb, who had been the attorney pressing the women's class-action suit. so harriet found herself at lunch seated next to young arthur. and she said, with some trepidation, "my name is harriet rabb." and arthur's face lit up and he grabbed her and he said, "harriet rabb!" he said, "have you read nan's book? isn't it fabulous? i loved it." young arthur is a feminist and he's been pushing to close the gap between the salaries of men and women doing the same job, which is country-wide and society-wide and industry-wide. he's really doing things. he's really a devoted feminist and i have high hopes for him. the fact that he does come off well in the book

. >> reporter: newspaper publisher arthur sulzberger jr. said it had nothing to do with the fact she was a woman. but it was an issue with management. an issue she discussed in 2011. >> i can be too brisk with people and you can just read on it my face. >> reporter: still, she graduates, resilience is more important than success. >> it meant more to our father to see us deal with a set back and try to bounce back than to watch how we handle our successes. she what you are made of, he would say. >> reporter: advice for new graduates and herself. mara schiavocampo, abc news, new york. >>> and now a very different clash making headlines tonight. we are talking today about the nba charging donald sterling for his racist comments. it's official. a hearing scheduled for june 3rd. after that, the league could force sterling to sell the los angeles clippers. >>> another headline from the world of sports tonight. an athlete got a big break today. a horse named california chrome got a break today with a little help from something unglamorous on his n

. >> in a statement last week, arthur sulzberger junior, the chairman of the times, sent ms. dachshund said ms. abramson lost the support of her colleagues and could not win it back. what have you heard about ms. abramson's management style? has theall editors she tractors. record speaks for itself. she has an extraordinary record. question about mr. sulzberger's management style. ceo and has toe pay her $20 million to walk away. i think that raises some serious questions about his management style. >> have you heard anything about his management style? >> the record again speaks for itself. >> ms. abramson was the first woman to run the times in its 162 year history. what has been lost in this controversy, that she is being replaced by deane the cat who becomes the first african-american to serve as the times is executive editor. what do we know about him? >> he's a respected journalist breed he is an amiable guy. he has big shoes to fill end has a tough time right now. he has a lot of standing room in this business. >> al hunt joining us on the phone from winston, salem nor

paid less than her male predecessor abramson shaped the media narrative by the time publisher arthur sulzbergerrted issuing statements saying that with bonuses abramson had actually been paid more than the man she replaced. he was on the defensive while she was on the "new york post" cover with the perfect image, in boxing gloves. and despite complaints about her brusque management style she seemed all too human this week during a commencement address. >> you know the sting of losing or not getting something you badly want. when that happens, show what you are made of. >> when reporters, including lauren ashburn, approached sulzberger at a first amendment dinner in new york and started asking questions, he said "no comment." not a great strategy for a publisher. sulzberger did do an interview with "vanity fair" confirming what i and others reported last weekend, that he feared abramson's deputy would quit over being mistreated by her and instead elevated matt kay to the top job and that sulzberger offered abramson an amicable parting but that jill said that. on the unequal declared i'm not goin

the weekend new york types publisher arthur sulzberger broke his silence saying that her newsroom management was the issue here. his statement says in part, during her ten you you're, i heard repeatedly from her newsroom colleagues, women and men, about a series of issues including arbitrary decision making, a failure to consult and bring colleagues in and the public mistreatment of colleagues. rehema ellis joining us. i don't know if people were hoping for he fifireworks, but think it was an acceptable tone from jill abramson given the commencement was about her kids and not about her fight with the "new york times". >> reporter: i think you're right. she was funny and she was also forceful. she began this commencement address saying to the students that she was impressed that your commencement has attracted so much media attention and she got a laugh from the students about that. but she was also speaking directly to them when she said i'm talking to anyone who has been dumped and not gotten the job you wanted. you know the sting of rejection when that happens. show what you are made of. i

>> hearing from arthur sulzberging saying the dismissal had nothing to do with pay and gender to knock down the reports last week. jill abramson learned she was making less money than her predecessor, she confronted management and afterward dismissed. so here's how he's answering, he says, quote, perhaps the saddest outcome of my decision to replace jill as executive editor it's been cast as an example of the unequal treatment of women in the workplace. he goes on to say, in her last year on the job, abramson, look at her total pay package making 10% more than bill keller. and he lists the reasons that she was dismissed. he said it had to do with failure to consult and bring colleagues with her, arbitrary decision making, public mistreatment of colleagues and other characteristics. we spoke to a media executive, when you've got even the implication of gender discrimination, she says she can understand why the "times" without try to address it head-on. >> it would only suggest that the publishers or "the new york times" so worried about being regarded as a sexist he's willing to take th

executive editor jill abramson was replaced in a surprise move by publisher arthur sulzberger. "the new yorker" reports abramson had recently complained about earning less than her male predecessor, bill keller. she had also voiced concerns about business decisions and advertising interfering with the newsroom. abrahamson has been replaced by whoging editor dean baquet becomes the first african-american to hold the post. he was accused of quashing a story on the involvement of phone companies in the bush ministrations domestic servants program while working at "the los angeles times." he received complaints from top u.s. intelligence officials at the time, but says that played no role in his decision. the french photojournalist camille lepage has died while covering the conflict in central african republic. her body was found murdered after french troops stopped the vehicle driven by christian militants. friends and colleagues say camille lepage was dedicated to documenting africa's overlooked conflicts. she was 26 years old. and those are some of the headlines. this is democra

he was saying, in effect, "you, arthur sulzberger, will have blood on your hands if there's another attack that could've been prevented by this program." i think anybody would feel goosebumps. >> the new york times broke the story about the national security agency... >> narrator: nevertheless, the times decided to publish the story, revealing the existence of "the program." >> four years now, the nsa has been secretly spying on its own citizens... >> the new york times story in december 2005 just shocked the world. >> unchecked domestic surveillance is far greater than previously reported... >> it is the definition in most people's minds of illegal government activity. >> with a bombshell of a story in the new york times today that the nsa... >> narrator: they were in crisis mode at the white house. all eyes were on president bush. >> we call it the big pause, okay? when stuff like this goes public, what's the big guy going to do? is he going to man up and support you, or suddenly get reflective on you? >> and for once, the president actually decides he's going to come out and address it

arthur sol arth arthur sulzberger oig released a statement saying jill is an outstanding journalist andcludeagement was not working out. and she was bringing in somebody to do kindigital. they were going to be co-equal with the man now the new executive editor of the "times". but she told sulzberger that she had warned him, sulzberger said that didn't happen. if that is true, understandably he was upset. was this a fireable offense if it happened? >> i think one of the challenges in modern america is that the sexism is not going to be so blatant as, honey, get back in the kitchen and pimake me a dri. you can point to that incident. you can point to the fact that there were other folks in the newsroom who had an issue with her management style. but ultimately you have to look at the sort of broader trends. there is a new study out that shows that male ceos on average are ousted about 25% of the time. female ceos have ousted about a third of the time. so women are being kicked out more often. and i would argue that because it is so tough to get to the top as a one, that these women are likely

publisher arthur sulzberger informed him. joining me now from washington dylan byers of politico, he broke today's news after covering the turbulence at the times all year, i am please to do have him here on this program. dylan, tell me about what happened and why this decision was made. >> sure. it was very sudden, and because of that thing we don't have all of the answers yet. what arthur sulz burger said it had nothing to do with the quality of the paper under her tenure. of course a year auto we reported there were some frustrations among members of the staff request her leadership they found her to be combative in some cases and in some cases condescending. we don't how much of a role that played. she also had struggles with the time ceo mark thompson who had taken a more aggressive approach to handling editorial operations in the news room than in the most. but we still don't have the pull answers as to why she left. >> rose: trace for me because you've been covering this story and you were clearly the one to break this

it has been a very difficult challenge to arthur sulzberger times staff.een shifting into the digital world and it takes time. you have an installed base that is very difficult to >> maybe the control and ownership is part of the problem. >> that kind of control was designed for media companies to protect editorial integrity. that has been adopted, as you just said, by google and facebook. i find it less rationale for i don't know. -- >> you do not like that? >> i do not like that. i think mark zuckerberg is doing a great job and deserves to stay. he will keep his position and keep the company. perhaps will come when he should be viable to shareholder changes. -- there seeing it concept is getting by. could not getou on the new york stock exchange if you had two classes. >>i think they now allow you -- >> look at alibaba. withe media side, huffington post being sold to aol and all of these other digital news sites. they had no brand and now they are valued at three or four hundred million dollars. at one point, guys like you did not want to touch these sit

. >> arthur sulzberger junior said that abramson's firing had nothing to do with the fact she was a womanstyle that she discussed with charlie rose in 2011. >> i can be too brusque with people. you can just read it on my face. >> reporter: still abramson told graduates, resilience is often more important than success. >> it meant more to our father to see us deal with a setback and try to bounce back than to watch how we handled our successes. show what you are made of, he would say. >> reporter: advice for new graduates and for herself. mara schiavocampo, abc news, new york. >>> a former college student accused of making two bomb threats in hopes of cancelling graduation ceremony. at quinnipiac university in connecticut. police say daniela shea made the threats because she didn't want her family to find out she was no longer enrolled and wasn't graduating. graduation was delayed and moved to a sports arena. police traced the calls to her phone and she was arrested at that arena wearing a cap and gown and released on bail. >>> a parolee is under arrest after a road rage incident. near los

responding to a growing controversy, publisher arthur sulzberger released a statement over the weekend, detailing the reasons for abramson's firing and disputing any notion it was over her pay package. sulzberger said, abramson's management of the newsroom was simply not working out. "i heard repeatedly from her newsroom colleagues, women and men, about a series of issues, including arbitrary decision-making, a failure to consult and bring colleagues with her, inadequate communication and the public mistreatment of colleagues." her firing sparked a heated debate about whether women are held to a different standard than men. this story is far from over. whatever the truth is, jill abramson's firing has reignited a conversation all across the country about the role of women leadership in the workplace. willie. >> rehema ellis, thank you so much. kate brightman is the former editor of "new yorker" magazine. it's good to have you here. is this a story about gender or about her management? >> i think it is both. we are not judged on how we do with sales, but how we deal with people. women a