this topic is really important to me in articular, but i guess where i'm coming from is we can have all the intellectual i'm coming from is we can have conversations and policy conversations about this topic all we want to, but in less the message is being communicated to the average american, if you will, it does not seem like is going to go anywhere. i would like to hear some ideas for messaging, pr campaign, if you will, on getting this information to the general public. ms. lim: that is such a great question because that reminds me that i wanted to kind of an hour session with hat our community as a business community can do to further this issue. one thing that struck me when president trump had his executive order ban on certain countries was that i immediately wondered how many of my colleagues at the conference board were immigrants. or children of immigrants. you know when the super bowl had all those commercials that were sort of increasing awareness about how e come from all over the world in this country? i'm wondering -- i feel like those little things, like if companies we

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