what's the future of the internet going beyond network neutrality, what does it mean with artificialintelligence, what does it mean for jobs, what about the consolidation and commercialization? these are issues we haven't really even broached yet. so this is a time of transition. i hope we're going to focus more on issues rather than who's going to be the next chairman or who held the most fundraisers for a specific candidate or something like that. such a vibrant and important part of the economy, and all of our lives as individuals, so we need to look afresh during this transition about what it is we're going to be doing. >> host: robert mcdowell, you went from being in the majority to the minority. did you try to push some things through the transition period? >> guest: first of all, a shoutout to my colleague and good friend, michael copps, he was acting chairman in 2009, and the commission was down to three commissioners with our friend, jonathan adelstein, undertaking the digital television transition. and it was what we call now the era of the three amigos led by the chief amigo right her